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12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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I think whomever this statue represents, would get a cosmic kick out of people, 12000 years into the future, appreciating the majesty of his phallus.

It looks like it’s saying that Death is a wanker.

I wonder if it was deliberately humorous, which would add another dimension.

I know that the Incas had statues that were basically hardcore pr0n. I’m not sure the reason. Probably fertility stuff.

Re: 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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I wonder how long ago our ancestors forgot about this settlement and it was lost, and how many times it was rediscovered through the ages. I bet Homer knew of or had heard of some ancient sites that were either never memorialized in a poem, or poems never survived to modern times.

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I don't think any other species has the set of facial muscles humans do. Cats seem inscrutable because they have very few; dogs seem more understandable because they can move their eyebrows. I think the non-human animal with the most facial expressions is the chimpanzee, but even then it is much less expressive than a human in this regard. Various mammals have (non-facial) macroexpression somewhat similar to humans,…

I don't think cat faces are all that much less expressive than dog faces. They have a wide variety of facial expressions, including surprise, irritation/anger, happiness, playfulness, anxiety/fear, disgust, and so on - and that's not including at cat body language, especially tail movements. Our cat has perfected the guilt-tripping innocent stare. She stands beside her food bowl looking almost blank. This somehow com…

Once you know cats (or probably any other advanced animal) you can read their emotions like a book. Lots of people don't know how to read cats though.

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I maybe wasn't expecting Bernini level of realism, but "Augustus of Prima Porta" is around 2000 years old which greatly predates Renaissance tooling.

This predates that statute by at least 7,000 years or more.

It's kind of mind-blowing that we're three times closer to the Romans than the Romans themselves were to Gobekli Tepe. Gobekli Tepe is as much older than the pyramids, as the pyramids are themselves old.

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I don't think any other species has the set of facial muscles humans do. Cats seem inscrutable because they have very few; dogs seem more understandable because they can move their eyebrows. I think the non-human animal with the most facial expressions is the chimpanzee, but even then it is much less expressive than a human in this regard. Various mammals have (non-facial) macroexpression somewhat similar to humans,…

I think we share a very similar disgust response to other primates primarily and some other mammals as well including dogs.

Fear and anger on the face of a human and a wolf are very similar. Include body language in general and the similarities expand. If a mammal drops its head, widens its eyes and its ears pull back (yes humans do that too), its time to look for escape, or a weapon.

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How many of these universals are shared with other mammals (especially apes)?

I don't think any other species has the set of facial muscles humans do. Cats seem inscrutable because they have very few; dogs seem more understandable because they can move their eyebrows. I think the non-human animal with the most facial expressions is the chimpanzee, but even then it is much less expressive than a human in this regard. Various mammals have (non-facial) macroexpression somewhat similar to humans,…

> Cats seem inscrutable because they have very few; dogs seem more understandable because they can move their eyebrows.

What's wild is that we're apparently directly responsible for the eyebrow thing in dogs. As in we literally bred the feature into them.

- https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1820653116

- https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/dogs-eyeb...

- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/science/dogs-eyebrows-evo...

Re: 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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I think whomever this statue represents, would get a cosmic kick out of people, 12000 years into the future, appreciating the majesty of his phallus.

It looks like it’s saying that Death is a wanker. I wonder if it was deliberately humorous, which would add another dimension. I know that the Incas had statues that were basically hardcore pr0n. I’m not sure the reason. Probably fertility stuff.

Everyone likes porn, some are just ashamed of it? And apparently they weren’t?

Re: 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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As I understand it, in that case it is by dating the age of the materials the wood in question was buried in. The minerals are dated using luminescence dating. That tells you when those particles were last exposed to sunlight.

I don’t trust any dating technique that requires the combustion of material.

Well, this dating relates to when quartz and|or feldspar crystal were last in strong sunlight .. it's not "combustion" as such.

The changes wrought in the material by sun exposure and subsequent changes over time in the dark are strongly repeatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminescence_dating

Re: 12,000-year-old realistic human statue was unearthed

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That's not what I consider a "realistic human statue" ?

Can you think of any artistic depiction of a human from that era that is more detailed? Humans in cave paintings are basically stick men.

Sash and tassel Gwion Gwion rock paintings are ~ 12,000 years old and pretty detailed for "shadow drawings" *.

They're more than just stick figures, they detail ceremonial costumes quite well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwion_Gwion_rock_paintings

* Dating the spectrum of paintings is broad.

    Experimental OSL dates from a wasp nest overlaying a tassel Gwion Gwion figure has given a Pleistocene date of 17,500 ± 1,800 years BP. The academic community generally accepts 5,000 BP for the end of the artistic style. If the date ranges are correct, this may demonstrate that the Gwion Gwion tradition was produced for many millennia.
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