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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jethro_tell »

mavhc wrote: post #190
aidos wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s even worse than that - every class has a parent led WhatsApp group set up where people then regurgitate the same info into the chat. I suggested maybe a calendar instead but got the standard “it’s all too hard” responses.

"We should have an app for our school, it's only $x00" Me: What does it do? Calendar and notifications about new posts Me: The website already does that, there's a button to click to subscribe to the calendar, another to subscribe to notifications, and you can "install" the website if you want, all with open standards Surprising, I actually won the argument and they didn't waste their money.

I mean, the school districts I've had kids in all had Microsoft 365 or gmail for the kids, I assume the staff is in the same system. Its really not that hard to send out invites and searchable emails.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by squeaky-clean »

015a wrote: post #60
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Bumble is really similar and disgusting. By default, notifications are enabled for both messages (which are a pretty good thing to have notifications turned on for) and once or twice a day Peak Cringe marketing push notifications. They have the ability to turn off specific kinds of notifications, but one of the categories is "The Good Stuff: Turning these off means you'll miss out on our most exciting pushes of all!"…

Instagram for me. I don't use it much but have a few friends who message through it, or at least send some memes. If I enable notifications for that, I get daily notifications that someone I might know has joined Instagram, someone I know posted to their story... It's about 1:4 real notifications vs "Please spend more time on our app"

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by k8svet »

tivert wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #5

Everybody is. I'm strongly of the opinion that all this 'needy tech' is a net negative and I try hard to keep it out of my life. But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school portal with 'an important message' (which you need to separately logged into, of course the message is so important that it can't be entrusted to mere email, even though the…

> Tech should serve us It should , but it's becoming more and more obvious that it won't and can't . Literally every economic incentive it pushing towards 1) making it crappier until it's just good enough to buy, 2) maximally exploiting its users. The market won't save us, because a competitor who tries to gain market-share by not doing that crap will eventually turn around and join in the fun, once it's in their int…

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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by squeaky-clean »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #204
gnicholas wrote: post #166

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Yeah I think iOS has some level of granularity, like "time-sensitive" versus other notifications, but you can't disable marketing versus ride-related notifications in one predictable place (you have to hunt through the app's privacy settings, IIRC, to find at least some of them). I wish Apple would provide a per-app setting that controlled necessary versus unnecessary notifications.

The issue is that Uber marks all their stupid notifications as “time sensitive”, so it’s all-or-nothing with them.

Another abuse of the rules that would get any small developer banned from the app store with no ability to do a human appeal, while the giants are allowed to break as many rules as they want. (Except trying to dodge Apple's percentage take on in app purchases).

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by jonfromsf »

malux85 wrote: post #145
ryandrake wrote: post #84

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I think as parents, our job is to help teach them that this FOMO is fake and unnecessary, that the perceived "social hierarchy" is meaningless and nobody will care about it after high school is over. So they don't have to wait until they are 30 to figure it out on their own.

I completely disagree. It's important to teach them to time-box and have the self discipline to try and control these things - but participation in the social structures of peers and society during the formative adult years is crucial to developing the social skills of being an adult. To dismiss them as meaningless is very naive. Arguing that the social heirarchy is meaningless is utter nonsense because our work stru…

Agreed. The internet is full of sad men who didn't successfully figure out how to talk to girls in high school / college. There's a critical window for learning how to be social that if missed is difficult to recover from, because the lack of confidence and early success quickly causes them to fall even further behind.

Parents shouldn't be so dismissive of teens and their attempts to fit in and be socially normal. It's extremely important, possibly more important than academics.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by squeaky-clean »

tivert wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #5

Everybody is. I'm strongly of the opinion that all this 'needy tech' is a net negative and I try hard to keep it out of my life. But some of it, mostly associated with my kids schooling, is very hard to avoid. 10 emails per week about some school portal with 'an important message' (which you need to separately logged into, of course the message is so important that it can't be entrusted to mere email, even though the…

> Tech should serve us It should , but it's becoming more and more obvious that it won't and can't . Literally every economic incentive it pushing towards 1) making it crappier until it's just good enough to buy, 2) maximally exploiting its users. The market won't save us, because a competitor who tries to gain market-share by not doing that crap will eventually turn around and join in the fun, once it's in their int…

Well I guess the question is who is "us"? Tech is serving the executives fantastically.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by potsandpans »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

It's offensive how often postmates asks to enable notifications from the software side of things. For a while, it would ask after almost every interaction, which made the app somewhat unusable.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by LanceH »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

I just got a new phone and DND was on by default. I can't figure out how to get it to accept calls without turning off DND for everything.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by revscat »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #216
sa-code wrote: post #168

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Sounds like a good reason to give your business to someone else

This is the answer. Money talks, so give your money to businesses that earn it. "But it's not as convenient!" I hear some yell. Then it's obviously not enough of a bother to you, so just suck it up and deal with their bad behavior. Because until you take your money elsewhere, nothing will change. And why should it? They obviously haven't crossed a line for enough people. Which means it'll just get worse.

This path doesn’t seem to work very well.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by nucleardog »

leesalminen wrote: post #20
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

I, too, have been running my phone on DND as of late and it’s been pretty great. My wife disagrees :). I’m pretty sure iOS focus modes would allow me to configure notifications from my wife to come through while silencing the others but I’ll wait til she tells me :).

Between the focus modes and general notification settings you can get things pretty quieted down.

As a baseline have about half a dozen things on my phone that actually actively interrupt me. Calendar, alarms, weather alerts, banking, and, yes, messages from my wife. I have a few more that can send notifications but they don’t alert me, they all get rolled up into the “Notification Center” for me to review whenever I feel like catching up on them. (This includes direct contacts like SMS from anyone else on my “allow” list.)

During work hours Slack can notify me as well. If I get any notifications outside of work hours, they’ll appear when my phone goes back to work mode.

After 9pm the only things that can notify me are phone calls from a handful of people. The notifications will be there in the morning.

When I’m driving I can only receive phone calls from my wife.

This is a whitelist, not a blacklist. I have to consciously decide to receive notifications from something and when I want to receive them.

The focuses turn themselves on and off throughout the week without me doing anything.

If I’m expecting something (e.g., scheduled telehealth call), I’ll just turn focus off around the time I need to receive the notifications and deal with the firehose until it’s done. (Used to do the same for food deliveries and stuff until I moved to the middle of nowhere and stopped doing that.)

I truly don’t understand how people live with their phones otherwise.

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