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Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by noobermin »

bedobi wrote: post #34

Typical hackernews to have threads full of well meaning but ultimately misguided people saying ah we have some technological solution for this. The solution to this problem and every other problem caused by driving is not driving . Period. Not driving doesn't require any new technology, it just requires getting serious about alternatives to driving. (safe, separated bike ways, ebike and micromobility subsidies, rail,…

I hate to minimod, but this comment absolutely does not deserve to be flagged. It's not flaming or baiting, it isn't violating guidelines or spam or anything. It's not trolling.

The downvote is for disagreement. Do not flag to downvote, please. FFS let's keep up the standards here and not devolve into reddit.

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by nerdponx »

mlsu wrote: post #166

Has anyone here ever lived near a freeway or even moderately busy road? I made the mistake of renting next to the freeway. Noise was perfectly tolerable, but I could not use my back porch, because after just a few weeks, everything had a fine coating of black dust. I could not keep my windows open in the summer. I was certainly breathing this vile shit the entire time I lived there. This doesn't surprise me in the le…

Do tires shed more dust at higher speeds? I wonder if this has always been a known but unstated problem, or if increasing highway speeds are causing it to get worse.

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by uoaei »

dragontamer wrote: post #71
undersuit wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do we want 100-people in a neighborhood driving 100x cars to a store? Or would we rather have 1x large truck deliver a (heavier) package to 100x different people? Why can't the majority of the people walk to a store and the rest can be serviced by a smaller truck?

My overall point is that the "last mile" we're just screwed unless we fundamentally redesign our neighborhoods and shape of our cities. Its pretty damn obvious that as the USA is laid out right now, we don't have any good last-mile solutions outside of 100x different people driving to the same store and picking up what they want. And its not like houses are going to pick themselves up and move to a store, and given z…

Can you quote actual statistics, not merely sensationalizing articles, demonstrating an increase in shoplifting? As far as I've seen there is no evidence to back up this common assertion. The narrative that is floating around is doing a lot of work to convince people it's true but where are the facts?

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by nerdponx »

eep_social wrote: post #174
nhumrich wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every car already has a way to track its own mileage without requiring GPS

Not all states require periodic inspections. Who will be checking those odometers? Is it the honor system or are we requiring a third party inspection?

All 50 states will adopt them if federal highway funding becomes contingent on having them.

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by uoaei »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #134
undersuit wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we can afford this now. In the context of "Tire Dust Makes Up the Majority of Ocean Microplastics" how long can we afford this? Just like dumping Freon, and CO2 into the atmosphere have long term consequences that require our society to change, how long can we go aerosolizing rubber?

I wonder how hard it would be to capture this with some kind of aero device in the wheel wells of vehicles. Given what F1 teams can do with aero, it doesn’t seem like a huge stretch to be able to suck up these particles at the source and pass them through a filter bag like a household vacuum or something.

That's a fascinating idea. I hope someone (you?) pursues it.

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Post by baggy_trough »

mlsu wrote: post #166

Has anyone here ever lived near a freeway or even moderately busy road? I made the mistake of renting next to the freeway. Noise was perfectly tolerable, but I could not use my back porch, because after just a few weeks, everything had a fine coating of black dust. I could not keep my windows open in the summer. I was certainly breathing this vile shit the entire time I lived there. This doesn't surprise me in the le…

The positive externalities are even more enormous, which is a problem for environmentalists.

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Post by jdblair »

mlsu wrote: post #166

Has anyone here ever lived near a freeway or even moderately busy road? I made the mistake of renting next to the freeway. Noise was perfectly tolerable, but I could not use my back porch, because after just a few weeks, everything had a fine coating of black dust. I could not keep my windows open in the summer. I was certainly breathing this vile shit the entire time I lived there. This doesn't surprise me in the le…

I lived in West Oakland for 10 years. Not immediately adjacent to a freeway, but surrounded on 4 sides by a freeway within a half mile. All flat surfaces are eventually are covered in black grit unless it rains. I assume it was not just tire dust but also diesel soot.

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Post by bequanna »

kmeisthax wrote: post #98
TeMPOraL wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words: you're proposing to replace a set of possible, if difficult, technological solutions, with an near-impossible social solution. I'd call that misguided. Technological solutions tend to be discussed because they can be implemented. Social solutions may work better, but only in imaginary la-la land where they can actually be put into practice. In the real world, you can't " just " get people to not drive…

Automobile dependency is not a technological problem, it is a social problem. Enormous sums of money were spent on lobbying, laws, and infrastructure, all just to make driving tolerable . The cost of this social experiment was that walking was made miserable and dangerous. A century ago people were saying, "in the real world, you can't just get people to not walk". But they did. We coined the term "jaywalking" to ref…

I think your comment shows a very strong inner city, urban bias.

The vast majority of Americans both need and love their cars. Very few people would support some movement that aims to restrict automobiles in any way.

Re: Tire dust makes up the majority of ocean microplastics

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Post by standardUser »

c54 wrote: post #172
standardUser wrote: post #165

Can someone explain why rubber - not a plastic - makes up the majority of plastic in the ocean? They do say "synthetic rubber", but from what I am reading those are also not considered a type of plastic. Not that the definition matters too much, but I think it's important not to use language that could be construed as being purposefully disingenuous to make an argument seem more dramatic, since doing so undermines th…

Synthetic rubber is a type of plastic

Citation please.
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