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Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by thereare5lights »

literallyroy wrote: post #27
thereare5lights wrote: post #21

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

Does that shift not regularly annoy other people? I work on several projects throughout the week and not all had their primary branch moved from master to main. I end up getting the branch name wrong a few times a week when context switching.. Is there a better solution than updating some of the older projects and automation?

I haven't used master as the name of the primary branch for years across multiple companies.

Sooner or later, y'all are going to be outdated.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by bitcharmer »

abenga wrote: post #185
bitcharmer wrote: post #166

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It bugs me because no one asked about this and it's purely virtue signalling. Not only that, it implies that black people are unable to contextualise vocabulary.

What would you have people do instead that is actually helping and not virtue signaling?

There's already plenty of affirmative action being taken. We have black history month everywhere now, minorities are getting much better representation in the media. Please don't pretend nothing positive is happening and we have to change master to main at all cost or all hope is lost. Also, this is predominantly American problem but it's shoved down our throats here in Europe like our "wealth" was built on the back of slaves.

I'm Polish, can you imagine how ridiculous this is becoming from our perspective?

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by bitcharmer »

nebula8804 wrote: post #181
bitcharmer wrote: post #165

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Which is another way of saying that the majority doesn't prioritise the issue because it only affects minority. Potato potato

There is only so much people can care about in their day to day. This mentality you are displaying ignores reality and will end up biting you one day when something you expect to happen does not come true because you're living your life on the internet too much.

> This mentality you are displaying ignores reality

So I'm living in a fantasy world and you don't because you're right and I'm wrong. Got it.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by Timon3 »

thefounder wrote: post #95
racked wrote: post #13

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If you think about it "main" is a discriminatory term as well because it may imply a kind of patriarchal hierarchy so perhaps in the future we should have another contest or just rename it to a random string(making sure the seed is truly random).

Are you trolling? If not, could you explain how "main" specifically implies a patriarchal hierarchy? It may imply a hierarchy, but I have no idea where "patriarchal" comes from.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by bangkoksbest »

fxd123 wrote: post #184
bangkoksbest wrote: post #109

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The standard for civil cases is literally "a preponderance of the evidence"...

And the preponderance standard for civil cases is "over 50% likelihood". That's not very strong.

Yeah, it's a civil case, not criminal. Only criminal trials should have standards as high as criminal trials do because only criminal trials punish you by taking away your personal autonomy and freedom. Civil trials cost you money, so obviously the standard is lower.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

philistine wrote: post #158
kentrado wrote: post #75

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As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).

Hey, maybe the white dude feels icky about the master/slave thing. Maybe it's not about the opinions of black people but words we want in common usage in our societies.

Is the intent to completely remove the terms? That's a new angle I hadn't heard. I guess it makes said guilty feeling persons life easier, as they can't hear about the currently happening slavery in the world and can continue on their merry way.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

rewmie wrote: post #175
thunky wrote: post #168

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I'm not cherry picking, your comment is a direct reply to: > The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho.

> I'm not cherry picking (...) Sorry, but it's obvious that you are. This discussion is not about Git but about Tesla's history of harassment, racism, and overall bigotry, and the thread you're commenting on is clearly about the usage of inclusive language instead of legacy non-inclusive terms. I feel you're playing dumb and disingenuous to pretend it's suddenly about Git, which is really not cool or contributing pos…

> Sorry, but it's obvious that you are. This discussion is not about Git but about Tesla...

HN reguarly deviates off into tangentially related comment threads. _This_ discussion is about git master/main, although the parent one isn't.

> legacy non-inclusive terms

Love a good game of "spot the American". Thankfully, you're not authoritive on the english language and don't get to pick what is "legacy".

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

roenxi wrote: post #60
iakov wrote: post #47

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This is such a silly argument. Let’s call it “m” then - it’s even easier to type, so should be an even bigger win, right? Thousands of scripts and workflows be damned.

Less silly than you might think. An important part of life is letting people you don't like make the world better. The people behind this change are the up-in-others-business personalities. They're always going to be destructive, but we should appreciate when they do a little good nevertheless.

> make the world better

I really try hard not to mock people on HN, but you need to take a look in the mirror. Your sheltered world view of what "makes the world better" isn't reflective of everyone elses, nor objectively true. I'm glad you think it's good, but you must understand that those who don't agree aren't generally 'bigoted racists' or even people who "don't like" those making the changes.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by dang »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #131
lionkor wrote: post #87

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What does it mean to be 'African', then? Or 'Asian'? Its the same kind of racist shit, literally separating people based on some random property. I know the US is the world leader in backwards decisions that ignore history (while virtue signalling harder than ever before), and then being as racist as possible ("but in a good way!!!!"), but this is just sad now. If I speak to someone, I don't ask "Are you black? Are y…

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If you keep posting ideological battle/flamewar comments to HN, we're going to have to ban you. Regardless of which ideology you're for or against, it destroys what this site is supposed to be for.

I don't want to ban you, so if you'd review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this, that would be good.

We've already had to warn you a bunch of times, including recently:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37561065 (Sept 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35920403 (May 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33014228 (Sept 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30086559 (Jan 2022)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19830614 (May 2019)

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by dang »

racked wrote: post #13

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Please don't start hellish flamewars on HN, as you did here. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on, we'd appreciate it. Note that they include:

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents."

and

"Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead."

and also:

"Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity."

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