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Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by nebula8804 »

bitcharmer wrote: post #165
nebula8804 wrote: post #145

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No my point is that I think the average person is not prioritizing this issue because they cannot relate.

Which is another way of saying that the majority doesn't prioritise the issue because it only affects minority. Potato potato

There is only so much people can care about in their day to day. This mentality you are displaying ignores reality and will end up biting you one day when something you expect to happen does not come true because you're living your life on the internet too much.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by RichardCA »

thelastparadise wrote: post #137
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #24

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The Guardians style guide says let the writer decide: https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-observer-style-guide-b "There is debate about the capitalisation of black, with some using it as a physical descriptor, others to describe a specific cultural group, therefore while generally lower case, if a subject, writer or editor of a story prefers to use Black then that choice should be respected."

> The Guardians style guide says let the writer decide The Guardian is far from a politically-unbiased source. Plus, this is an Appeal to Authority logical fallacy.

It started when a few different style guides made the change in 2020.

https://news.ucdenver.edu/is-the-b-in-black-capitalized-yes/

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by woodpanel »

aragilar wrote: post #179
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #169

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As a brit I didn't know cornwall + ireland were raided for slaves into the 1700s (earlier, with viking Circa 1000 yes, but not after). Could you provide some solid links please? TIA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

This. Thanks.

Also for the other regions that were routinely raided in the hunt for white slaves:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empir...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_slave_...

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by fxd123 »

bangkoksbest wrote: post #109
willcipriano wrote: post #96

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Yes, it requires evidence.

The standard for civil cases is literally "a preponderance of the evidence"...

And the preponderance standard for civil cases is "over 50% likelihood". That's not very strong.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by abenga »

bitcharmer wrote: post #166
abenga wrote: post #125

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It's just writing a shorter word. Why does it bug you so much. Unless you want to make bigger changes to society to counter the effects of racism instead? Cause we'd like that.

It bugs me because no one asked about this and it's purely virtue signalling. Not only that, it implies that black people are unable to contextualise vocabulary.

What would you have people do instead that is actually helping and not virtue signaling?

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Post by amelius »

bitcharmer wrote: post #99
jquery wrote: post #89

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HN should use ChatGPT to evaluate if a comment is mostly irrelevant to the actual article. To save costs, apply this only to comments that have a lot of engagement such as the GP.

That would be a horrible idea. There are very interesting and educational tangents found in the comment section on many submissions. Would you like all those removed from the discourse?

Maybe these comments should simply be shown below the other ones?

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by amelius »

nine_k wrote: post #25
racked wrote: post #13

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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-s…

But if this is true, then they should complain about the word "black" rather than about the capital "B".

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by thereare5lights »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #46
thereare5lights wrote: post #21

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

> That's not even the worse part. I was mentally and physically abused as a child by my stepfather. If, in the middle of him choking me unconscious someone had given me the choice between "lots of people tell him he's horrible" and "someone gets him off of me", which do you think I would choose? Do you think those who are disadvantaged due to their race would rather you worry about helping them get on their feet or n…

This is a non sequitur strawman.

> You add to the hurt of this world in the name of victims who would rather you do something more useful.

Wrong. Maybe try talking to people that don't want that kind of verbiage instead of making bad assumptions. Removing terminology associated with slavery has high support among those that actually were descendants of slaves.

> This is about you, not about them.

As such, this sounds like projection.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by thereare5lights »

racked wrote: post #29
thereare5lights wrote: post #21

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

It really is not about that. The problem is that some people feel the need to bend over backwards, making symbolic gestures that do not change the underlying issue. As if renaming 'whitelist' to 'allowlist' is going to turn any neo-nazis into angels. George Carlin had a word or two to say about this phenomenon: https://youtu.be/hSp8IyaKCs0

> As if renaming 'whitelist' to 'allowlist' is going to turn any neo-nazis into angels.

As if that's the point?

What do you think a hostile workplace is? Do you think being consistently subjected to verbiage that negatively impacts your mental health is a good thing?

Seems odd to me that so many people want to hold onto things that hurt other people and justify it by saying it doesn't solve anything despite the fact that those people are telling you that it will help them.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by thereare5lights »

tticvs wrote: post #36
thereare5lights wrote: post #21

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That's not even the worse part. The refusal to make a change that costs you nothing in order to stick it to people you don't like is much worse and indicates all sorts of behaviors you do not want on your team.

It does cost something, quite a lot actually, my company (correctly) refused to bow to the pressure to migrate because it would have been too expensive to update our tooling. And acquiescing meekly to absurd demands is a much worse behavior for a team. Even worse behavior in a teammate would be trying to browbeat their coworkers into wasting energy on performative nonsense to score social status points. In a just wor…

Glad I don't work with people that would fire people for calling out a hostile workplace. FYI that's illegal...
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