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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
The criticism is that putting people in buckets based on their DNA and ancestry is what racists do and not something that we should encourage and normalize in 2023. We should minimize the importance of ethnicity and race, not emphasize it. As a staunch individualist and someone who fervently opposes racism, it's disheartening to observe the USA trending in such a direction.
No. Treating them worse based on which bucket you put them in is racist. Taking about various segments of population, what specific issues they experience and why is not that.
Thats not what "racism" is. While its one way to define racism, the most general and eay to understand one is
racism: > The belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes.
And that is what you're doing. Its not about oppression or discrimination, its about the (wrong) belief that each race has some intrinsic properties. When you start with this, you eventually end up putting people of different races on a pedestal, which does inadvertently discriminate against another race.
Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
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The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…
I work with SPI devices a bit, and _some_ places have shifted from MISO/MOSI (Master in Slave out etc) to CIPO/COPI. Or PICO/POCI (Pico? Like the really cheap and popular RPi device?). MISO/MOSI is at least consistent, unambiguous, and is _literally a master/slave situation_. Unless the end game is to remove the words master and slave from the dictionary in case someone gets offended, this is stupid.
Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…
As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).
I would like to ask: do you have a position on the following?
- an allowlist/blocklist to replace whitelist/blacklist
-primary/replica to replace master/slave
Also, how old are you? I’m not young but not old and I don’t associate racial overtones to the latter terms
Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
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If you think about it "main" is a discriminatory term as well because it may imply a kind of patriarchal hierarchy so perhaps in the future we should have another contest or just rename it to a random string(making sure the seed is truly random).
Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
#96Wouldn't it be more effective to pursue criminal charges against the individuals directly responsible? Graffitis, particularly when they involve symbols as disturbing as a noose, are not just offensive, they're criminal acts. They could even be classified as hate crimes or death threats. The perpetrators should be held responsible. Otherwise, they'll simply continue this harmful behavior in their future workplaces, k…
> Wouldn't it be more effective to pursue criminal charges against the individuals directly responsible? No, since criminal conviction has a higher threshold
Yes, it requires evidence.
Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-s…
> So, if you wanted a capital W whites, that likely would be ... a specific cultural and geographical unity of white-skinned people, but by far not all white people.
Thing is, white immigrants' national identities were largely, um, white-washed in the late-19th thru mid-20th c., as part of Progressive ideals that back then were quite racially slanted, and included such things as eugenics. German immigrants were especially affected by this for obvious reasons, but not only. So the argument for capital-W 'White' is hardly any weaker than for capital-B 'Black'.
Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may be meaningless to you. But it's not meaningless to other people. Now you can choose not to care about their opinion and be dismissive of their integrity by claiming it's only for social status. But you're never going to hire the best engineers if that's the approach you take. I've worked with some of the very best in the industry and never seen anyone do great things by being intolerant of people.
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You don't speak for everyone in the technology industry.
And you don't get to choose what everyone will or should do. Therefore you really need to be tolerant of people's different versions of "truth" and assume that they are acting in good faith.
Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
As per usual, pointless normative bikeshedding about something tangential to the article's point is the most engaging comment here.
HN should use ChatGPT to evaluate if a comment is mostly irrelevant to the actual article. To save costs, apply this only to comments that have a lot of engagement such as the GP.
That would be a horrible idea. There are very interesting and educational tangents found in the comment section on many submissions. Would you like all those removed from the discourse?
Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…
As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).
Based on how uppity about it around the time the whites I talked to about it were, yes it was 100% this.
The high horse riding was surreal. They all took long savouring draws of their own farts after each 'master' branch they renamed to 'main'.
When I mentioned that none of the people they did this in the name of were helped, they met it with abject hostility. Narcissism is a hell of a condition.