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Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by yieldcrv »

nine_k wrote: post #25
racked wrote: post #13

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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-s…

> I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names

why not Ask HN, there are black people here. what's interesting to me is that your interpretation prioritizes things that aren't really factors, and some child comments are already trying to mold that into their unworkable world view.

the only person triggered is the top level comment and thats the non sequitur on its own.

Black and black are equally benign adjectives and interchangeable, it doesn't need to be rationalized. the absence of capitalized white is an editorial choice, be the change you want to see?

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by sleiben »

kentrado wrote: post #75
sleiben wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…

As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).

100% with you here! Great arguments

edit: It also reminds me of men playing feminist and stepping (aggressively) up to protect women’s rights. I heard from my female colleagues that they hate this since it implies that women are like children and aren’t able or mature enough to speak up for themselves. So the «strong men» need now to protect them…

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by thefounder »

gumballindie wrote: post #73
blueflow wrote: post #67

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Germany is not the one with the "black person shot by police" protests setting stuff ablaze.

Because it’s not in the german media. Censorship ensures the image is clean but in reality germany is at an extreme that makes the us shine. Perhaps not shootings but other types of discrimination.

>> Perhaps not shootings but other types of discrimination.

Like what?

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

sleiben wrote: post #40
racked wrote: post #13

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The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…

It’s the enshittification of everything and the pervasiveness of “pop culture”.

Every HR person needs to touch something to feel useful and “changing something”.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by viraptor »

olalonde wrote: post #39
nine_k wrote: post #25

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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-s…

The criticism is that putting people in buckets based on their DNA and ancestry is what racists do and not something that we should encourage and normalize in 2023. We should minimize the importance of ethnicity and race, not emphasize it. As a staunch individualist and someone who fervently opposes racism, it's disheartening to observe the USA trending in such a direction.

No. Treating them worse based on which bucket you put them in is racist. Taking about various segments of population, what specific issues they experience and why is not that.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

kentrado wrote: post #75
sleiben wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…

As a black person, the switch from master to main, is the most condescendingly racist thing that has been widely adopted in tech. It says "black people are too stupid to understand context. We (small group of white people) must protect them against words." Another thing it does, is that it promotes the identification of blacks as slaves when all races have been enslaved (and continue to this day).

The “white saviour” complex is well documented. Well-meaning but racist in their ignorance white people try to save people based on racist stereotypes and caricatures of imagined problems.

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Post by lionkor »

nine_k wrote: post #25
racked wrote: post #13

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I suppose it follows the pattern of nationality names, and more general ethnic or geographical groups, like "Japanese", or "American", or "African"'. Please note that not all Africans have black skin (look at Egypt or Libya), and not all people with black skin are Africans (see India, Micronesia, Philippines, etc). So, to my mind, "Black" with a capital B is not people with black skin. They are by far not all black-s…

What does it mean to be 'African', then? Or 'Asian'? Its the same kind of racist shit, literally separating people based on some random property.

I know the US is the world leader in backwards decisions that ignore history (while virtue signalling harder than ever before), and then being as racist as possible ("but in a good way!!!!"), but this is just sad now.

If I speak to someone, I don't ask "Are you black? Are you a woman? Were your ancestors oppressed (particularly in the west, anything else doesnt matter, see past enslavement of slavic people)?". If it matters so much to you what race someone is, or what ancestry they have, that is not a healthy way to treat people. It's the same thing as racism, its literally, by definition, the same thing.

There is a reason people in a lot of countries like Germany fight for everyone to stop using "Black" to describe someone, and instead refer to them as an individual like they are. History will repeat itself if you keep separating people based on their ethnicity

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Post by anon373839 »

jquery wrote: post #55
racked wrote: post #13

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Capitalizing the "B" in "Black" is not some kind of reverse racism or a ploy to elevate one race above another. This is fundamentally about granting a basic level of recognition and respect to a community that has been uniquely disenfranchised. Their identity and history were forcibly taken from them due to the slave trade. They can't point to a specific nationality like "Japanese," "German," or "British" with a capi…

I don’t think you’re being totally honest about the double standard of this. Imagine that some people (with benign intentions) wanted to capitalize White to claim a cultural identity. After all, most whites in the US have lost the distinct European identities their ancestors had. Do you think this movement would be met with acceptance and support?

I think these kinds of double standards are what make the culture wars so inflammatory.

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Post by jquery »

abenga wrote: post #26
racked wrote: post #13

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As per usual, pointless normative bikeshedding about something tangential to the article's point is the most engaging comment here.

HN should use ChatGPT to evaluate if a comment is mostly irrelevant to the actual article. To save costs, apply this only to comments that have a lot of engagement such as the GP.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by thefounder »

krona wrote: post #52
roenxi wrote: post #42

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But it is also a technical improvement. main is easier to type. It takes a lot of effort to overcome the inertia of a default, so even if the reasoning is a bit suspect the outcome is going to be a win eventually.

Except its a very common adjective, so any time you refer to it you have to say 'main branch' otherwise you've introduced unnecessary ambiguity. Whereas 'master' refers to one thing and one thing only in most contexts (unless you're selling bedrooms).

>> Whereas 'master' refers to one thing and one thing only in most contexts.

What contexts? Should we also ban "master" key because it implies it enslaves the other keys?

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