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Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by pvaldes »

justinclift wrote: post #185
pvaldes wrote: post #160

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In theory yes, but in the best cases you would have a very heavy load joined by stitches and not much more. Plus a few flattened tourists at the first breeze. An engineer could design a device gluing a inner core of hard wood or so, but we would need an expert on materials for that, and political will to allocate resources and do it fast. The tree will regrow from the basis and grow fast for a while, but its health i…

> An engineer could design a device gluing a inner core of hard wood or so ... You'd probably be better off to use an internal splint/pin of some sort. Rough guess (with no calculations done), something along the lines of drilling a 30cm wide hole both ~half a metre upwards into the remaining trunk, and downwards into the stump, then fit a matching stainless steel rod to mount the tree back onto the stump. To keep it…

Stainless steel is rigid. We would need a material with some flexibility probably

Connecting vases is the easy part as long as is done fast, or the cut piece is covered and protected from became too dry and develop longitudinal cracks. Just sinking it in running, good quality, freshwater would help for weeks probably. Maybe even months.

First, all leaves and some branches must be removed to avoid fast dehydration. Both surfaces have to be polished to 1) assure a good contact (the chainsaw removes a few centimeter ring of the wood, so you can just put it in place and wait) and 2) achieve perfectly 180 degrees flat surfaces so all the forces are applied vertically and the trunk remains in the same place instead to slip to the right for example.

Then you need to (pressure?) wash the surface to remove any debris and unclog the vases.

next step would be to put both trunks in the exact position with a crane (should be easy part. The trunk section is not a regular circle). The idea would be trying to connect most possible vases at least in a side even if you don't achieve a 100% contact and the other side must end very displaced. As long as you can somehow assure that the weight has accurate support, this is all.

Survival is not guaranteed. no government has been done this before, but any politician succeeding on this would send a strong message, and probably became very popular overnight. Just trying would improve their image.

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by afiori »

coding123 wrote: post #110
andybak wrote: post #93

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I don't want photos of me popping up in my holiday photos. I want things that reminds me of where I went, not my poor fashion choices when abroad!

I don't know why people don't just download a photo then?

I find it hard to download memories and mementos

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by jibbit »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #189
jibbit wrote: post #186

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Hs2 needlessly cut down thousands of ancient oaks

> Hs2 needlessly cut down thousands of ancient oaks That depends whether you agree that HS2 is justified. HS2 would argue that the loss to humanity/UK of cutting down those ancient oaks is worth it due to the benefits of HS2. Whereas cutting down the Sycamore Gap tree benefited no one.

I don’t think there are any benefits, it’s cancelled (or about to be)

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by Karellen »

pvaldes wrote: post #158
appplication wrote: post #156

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What is the meaning of all of this? Is this just anti-social behavior seeping into city councils? Is there some political motive here?

"If you want to destroy the spirit of a country don't kill its people, burn its forests, fell the trees, and destroy its prized cultural artifacts" The oldest trick in the book of war

If Sheffield City Council were at war with England, that might make sense. Are you suggesting that is the case?

Or, if not, and destroying the spirit of the country is the tactic, what is the goal they are trying to accomplish with it?

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by pvaldes »

pvaldes wrote: post #187
barbazoo wrote: post #171

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Or, more likely, just a city council or urban planning department that doesn't care about nature conservation.

Wood thieves fall in a different category; Those are the worst offenders by number. Companies or local goverments stealing trees from public parks has became a too common activity since the austericide. Very profitable also; most people don't understand that plants have a big economical value just as raw materials. But is not this case; nobody tried to remove the wood. Revenge is a fact. Some protected very old oaks…

This may be a plausible case of wood thievery IMAO. It shows a lot of the common "modus-operandi" patterns. 14th century old oak. UK. 2022

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-61977727

To be fair, sometimes is just well-meaning local authorities trying to avoid a perceived danger. Trees sometimes fall over people. Sometimes is a mix of greed and fear. Public trees with useless wood are more often saved or left alone.

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by mistrial9 »

ballenf wrote: post #140
lamontcg wrote: post #137

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You were some kinda scrawny 16 year old kid. Most of the problem is dealing with the physics of keeping the chainsaw from binding which requires experience (or dumb luck) more than strength.

Exactly, an average 12-14yo of modest strength could maneuver the chainsaw. The hard part about that work is doing it safely when unexpected things happen.

I have seen chainsaws that are huge, used in industrial logging. This section of comments is daft -- look at the size of the tree .. not "50 cm" trunk at all .. much larger. Secondly a boy of 16 can be anything between a helpless sheep to an olympian. Hard labor is not for all of them.

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by mytailorisrich »

mistrial9 wrote: post #196
ballenf wrote: post #140

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Exactly, an average 12-14yo of modest strength could maneuver the chainsaw. The hard part about that work is doing it safely when unexpected things happen.

I have seen chainsaws that are huge, used in industrial logging. This section of comments is daft -- look at the size of the tree .. not "50 cm" trunk at all .. much larger. Secondly a boy of 16 can be anything between a helpless sheep to an olympian. Hard labor is not for all of them.

Yes, and the cut is very neat. Well, the cuts, actually, as we can see on the pictures that cuts were made on each side in order for the tree to fall in a certain way.

The person who did that knew what they were doing and knew how to handle a large chainsaw to fell large trees.

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by justinclift »

pvaldes wrote: post #191
justinclift wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An engineer could design a device gluing a inner core of hard wood or so ... You'd probably be better off to use an internal splint/pin of some sort. Rough guess (with no calculations done), something along the lines of drilling a 30cm wide hole both ~half a metre upwards into the remaining trunk, and downwards into the stump, then fit a matching stainless steel rod to mount the tree back onto the stump. To keep it…

Stainless steel is rigid. We would need a material with some flexibility probably Connecting vases is the easy part as long as is done fast, or the cut piece is covered and protected from became too dry and develop longitudinal cracks. Just sinking it in running, good quality, freshwater would help for weeks probably. Maybe even months. First, all leaves and some branches must be removed to avoid fast dehydration. Bo…

> Stainless steel is rigid. We would need a material with some flexibility probably

Good point, that'd probably be more optimal.

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by pvaldes »

pvaldes wrote: post #191
justinclift wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An engineer could design a device gluing a inner core of hard wood or so ... You'd probably be better off to use an internal splint/pin of some sort. Rough guess (with no calculations done), something along the lines of drilling a 30cm wide hole both ~half a metre upwards into the remaining trunk, and downwards into the stump, then fit a matching stainless steel rod to mount the tree back onto the stump. To keep it…

Stainless steel is rigid. We would need a material with some flexibility probably Connecting vases is the easy part as long as is done fast, or the cut piece is covered and protected from became too dry and develop longitudinal cracks. Just sinking it in running, good quality, freshwater would help for weeks probably. Maybe even months. First, all leaves and some branches must be removed to avoid fast dehydration. Bo…

typo of the day

so you can just put it in place -> so you can't just...

The verb "sinking" is also a bad choice here. The tree will need to breath so the upper part should be left emerged.

Re: Iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall's 'Sycamore Gap' has been 'felled'

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Post by qingcharles »

noelwelsh wrote: post #184
qingcharles wrote: post #40

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I love in the US when people boast their house was built in the 1800s. 1800s! In England I consider that fancy new construction. But yes, it boggles peoples' minds in England when you travel more than a couple of hours by car to go anywhere. If I told a Brit I drove my car 2500 miles to L.A. on a whim they would have me institutionalized.

2500 miles from London puts you somewhere in central Asia. I found the following route, which is just shy of that distance: https://www.distance.to/London/Samara,Samara-Oblast,RUS It would be an amazing trip, but it would involve crossing many borders and going through some fairly dodgy countries. I think there is a reasonable case that no sane person would do that on a whim.

That's crazy when you see it like that. Furthest I ever made it by car from the UK was Hungary and that took me about 10 days!

I did that trip to LA in 2 days there, 2 days back. And my car radio didn't work :(

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