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Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

Fnoord wrote: post #41
monopoliessuck wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they _sell_ a headphone jack adapter. That's the point of removing it. All the "weatherproofing" and "complexity" talk is just smoke.

Geez, what a negative take on a company who do their best to be environment-friendly. I got quite some corrosion on the headphone jack of my Raspberry Pi 2B. Not sure why. But either way, these adapters can be bought anywhere, and they'll work on other devices as well. Like I said, I didn't use mine much. Usually Bluetooth with an adequate profile is good enough. I doubt people hear the difference between Bluetooth a…

I don't think there's anything "environmentally friendly" about making users have an extra dongle to get basic functionality.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Fnoord »

monopoliessuck wrote: post #45
Fnoord wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geez, what a negative take on a company who do their best to be environment-friendly. I got quite some corrosion on the headphone jack of my Raspberry Pi 2B. Not sure why. But either way, these adapters can be bought anywhere, and they'll work on other devices as well. Like I said, I didn't use mine much. Usually Bluetooth with an adequate profile is good enough. I doubt people hear the difference between Bluetooth a…

Apple's omission was the same garbage about complexity and space, yet no one in the real world had these problems. Apple is making a killing on Bluetooth accessories and adapters which have a much much higher markup than phones. Do you buy that SD cards or removable batteries were "too complicated" and bloaty for the end-user too? If you're trying to differente yourself from Apple, it seems like a no brainer to inclu…

Wobbly USB port is an issue of the past with microUSB and lightning. USB-C does not have this issue as the weight lies on the cable.

Batteries in some Bluetooth headsets can be replaced. There are iFixit guides available.

Most customers use terrible quality SD cards, and then QQ about them breaking. A burden for CS.

The exterior case design of FP4 and FP5 copies Samsung rather than Apple.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by rany_ »

Fnoord wrote: post #59
rany_ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is true though, lest we forget that Samsung managed to make the Galaxy S5 IP67 water resistant... this phone meanwhile is IP57 rated, which is actually even worse. If they tell you "it's harder with the headphone jack" that's not a good enough reason either, just try harder; it's not worth omitting when we know it is possible. Samsung was able to pull this off with the S5 A DECADE AGO: - removable back - removable…

Fairphones are more bulky because they are modular, are easy to open, and don't use glue. If there is space for 3.5mm you might have a point. I would prefer two USB-C over one USB-C plus one 3.5mm. It would be more useful to a lot of customers.

> If there is space for 3.5mm you might have a point.

I don't think you get it. The reason why there isn't any space for 3.5mm now is because they didn't want to add it, they could add the space if they so choose. This is not a problem you should think about, it should be the designer/engineer/etc's concern to figure out how to fit it in.

It is normal for there to not be any space in portable electronics, that just means they've utilized all the space they had optimally; it doesn't mean they can't add more features and redesign it to accommodate the jack.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by marvinborner »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #53

"/e/OS by Murena" Engineer tech founders, open source maintainers: please pass these names by a normal person before you decide on them. No normal person is going to understand that "/e/OS" is supposed to be a Unix file path, nor care. They're going to go "why does it have a '/' around the 'e' ?". If they pop it into their browser search bar, they will get an error, because the browser thinks it's a file path or some…

Yes, that annoys me too. The original name actually was "Eelo". Unfortunately, it had to be renamed due to a legal conflict. Creator Gael Duval also said in 2020 that the "/e/" name would only be temporary.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by cooperadymas »

scns wrote: post #54
cooperadymas wrote: post #35

I have been using a Fairphone 4 with /e/OS for awhile now in the US. AMA. The experience has been mostly good, with a few irritating issues. I still consider it good though, because I had a flagship Pixel previously and had my share of irritating issues also. I don't really miss Google at all. * Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. H…

> Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. Hopefully this gets fixed. Are you using the stock keyboard? I allways install Simple Keyboard from F-Droid, Zero problems for years.

Stock, yes. I may have to give Simple Keyboard a try. Thanks!

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by cooperadymas »

Tade0 wrote: post #55
cooperadymas wrote: post #35

I have been using a Fairphone 4 with /e/OS for awhile now in the US. AMA. The experience has been mostly good, with a few irritating issues. I still consider it good though, because I had a flagship Pixel previously and had my share of irritating issues also. I don't really miss Google at all. * Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. H…

Does the device feel heavy? Looking at the specs it's over 200g - that seems a lot.

It's hefty for sure. A very solid phone.

I would have greatly preferred a small phone but the FP was the one that met my other criteria the best. I don't notice the weight much, but it fits large in my hand and pocket. When holding left handed and trying to tap a button on the bottom right (browser tabs) my palm frequently hits the side of the screen.

Comparing to the old Pixel 4 I still have laying around, you would think it's a power bank until you saw the screen.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by monopoliessuck »

Fnoord wrote: post #62
monopoliessuck wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's omission was the same garbage about complexity and space, yet no one in the real world had these problems. Apple is making a killing on Bluetooth accessories and adapters which have a much much higher markup than phones. Do you buy that SD cards or removable batteries were "too complicated" and bloaty for the end-user too? If you're trying to differente yourself from Apple, it seems like a no brainer to inclu…

Wobbly USB port is an issue of the past with microUSB and lightning. USB-C does not have this issue as the weight lies on the cable. Batteries in some Bluetooth headsets can be replaced. There are iFixit guides available. Most customers use terrible quality SD cards, and then QQ about them breaking. A burden for CS. The exterior case design of FP4 and FP5 copies Samsung rather than Apple.

An always plugged in port risks damage and a damaged USB port makes your phone a brick, not so for an analog port that is inarguably more resilient.

Every major vendor's earbuds and most of their headsets aren't battery-replacable. This complexity moves outside the phone and onto the user when all of this was handled reliably by "lesser" hardware of yore. None of this makes Bluetooth headsets an impossibility.

SD Card upsells are so obviously upsells, come on. Yes using shoddy peripherals can lead to a bad experience and they're replaceable for a reason. You seem to be going out of your way to bias the corporate position. Using low quality batteries risks far more, should Fairphone epoxy their batteries in to save the customer from that too?

Killing of the aux port was an Apple signature move. Whether or not the case looks like Samsung is not the true legacy of this courageous stance.

This just seems very evasive.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by HenryBemis »

cooperadymas wrote: post #66
scns wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. Hopefully this gets fixed. Are you using the stock keyboard? I allways install Simple Keyboard from F-Droid, Zero problems for years.

Stock, yes. I may have to give Simple Keyboard a try. Thanks!

I have been using Android with NoRoot Firewall. I aways use Gboard, really amazing keyboard software. The first time I let it "phone home" so it downloads whatever it needs for multiple languages. Then I block it with the NRF and it never phones home again (ET sad):

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Fnoord »

rany_ wrote: post #64
Fnoord wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairphones are more bulky because they are modular, are easy to open, and don't use glue. If there is space for 3.5mm you might have a point. I would prefer two USB-C over one USB-C plus one 3.5mm. It would be more useful to a lot of customers.

> If there is space for 3.5mm you might have a point. I don't think you get it. The reason why there isn't any space for 3.5mm now is because they didn't want to add it, they could add the space if they so choose. This is not a problem you should think about, it should be the designer/engineer/etc's concern to figure out how to fit it in. It is normal for there to not be any space in portable electronics, that just m…

I think I get it perfectly fine. We just seem to disagree on the necessity and the viable alternative (two USB-C).
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