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Re: Kickstarter: rails.app

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Post by toast76 »

blhack wrote: post #72

Please excuse the language, but what the fuck is happening to our world right now? What the hell has happened to "I want to build something, so I'll build it"? Now you have to [1]pay $100 for the privilege of reading the mailing list for an open source project? And some guy needs $25,000 just to start it? Guys this is...not good. Can you imagine if apache's kickstarter never got funded? If the linux kernel's didn't?…

This is something that would be personally valuable for me. He could just as easily build this and sell it on the App Store; I'd buy it too. Instead I'll donate so you can get it for free.

Who says OSS has to be all about altruism and self-sacrifice?

Btw.. http://railsinstaller.org/ was funded by EngineYard... I'm not sure I see the difference?

Re: Kickstarter: rails.app

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Post by larrywright »

egypturnash wrote: post #42

oh god yes please I am a rails n00b who tried fooling with Rails a couple weeks ago and found the installation process INTENSELY FRUSTRATING. Especially compared to the unthinking ease of MAMP. Gimme one .app and a directory structure I can just throw into /Applications (and later throw away if my experiments come to naught), gimme a nice control panel to stop and start Rails. Let me get it up and running on my syste…

"Because I really really avoid the Terminal as much as possible"

I don't mean to sound condescending, but if you're interested in using Rails (or any similar web platform), you need to be comfortable with the command line. It's not hard to learn, and there's even a good Peepcode video called "Meet the Command Line" that serves as a gentle introduction.

If you're really adamant about staying away from the terminal, you should look elsewhere.

Re: Kickstarter: rails.app

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Post by tptacek »

fady wrote: post #80
blhack wrote: post #72

Please excuse the language, but what the fuck is happening to our world right now? What the hell has happened to "I want to build something, so I'll build it"? Now you have to [1]pay $100 for the privilege of reading the mailing list for an open source project? And some guy needs $25,000 just to start it? Guys this is...not good. Can you imagine if apache's kickstarter never got funded? If the linux kernel's didn't?…

well said. when i saw the link i was confused why this would be on kickstarter...just feels odd to have software development on KS, unless there is some extenuating circumstances..

This right here is why you generally want to reconsider building products for the kinds of technical people that haunt message boards.

Re: Kickstarter: rails.app

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Post by indirect »

iamgilesbowkett wrote: post #52

I have several problems with this. The first, and most important, is here: http://xkcd.com/927/ The second is personal, so please take it with a grain of salt. I pointed out that Yehuda's Bundler gem has an automated condescension feature; if you try to use it without saying 'source :rubygems,' it heckles you and mockingly asks you 'did you mean to say source :rubygems? if so please go back and type it in.' this is p…

Bundler's "condescension" was a real error message, albeit a terse one. I expanded it 18 days ago. If you think it's still condescending, please suggest a better way of phrasing the error.

https://github.com/carlhuda/bundler/commit/abdc6374bd18488d0...

Re: Kickstarter: rails.app

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Post by eaurouge »

blhack wrote: post #72

Please excuse the language, but what the fuck is happening to our world right now? What the hell has happened to "I want to build something, so I'll build it"? Now you have to [1]pay $100 for the privilege of reading the mailing list for an open source project? And some guy needs $25,000 just to start it? Guys this is...not good. Can you imagine if apache's kickstarter never got funded? If the linux kernel's didn't?…

Just chiming in to say that Yehuda Katz has given away so many work hours to Ruby, Rails and JavaScript projects - Thor being one of my favorites. If he decides to raise $25K to work on some open source project, he's more than earned the right to do so.

Another point worth making is this: let the market decide. If the market will bear $25K (one-time payment) for a Rails.app, then so be it. Your opinion doesn't matter, frankly neither does mine.

I don't really see this affecting open source projects either. You've always been able to make money from free (as in beer) open source projects (directly or indirectly), even for projects that are not widely used.

Re: Kickstarter: rails.app

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Post by eob »

blhack wrote: post #72

Please excuse the language, but what the fuck is happening to our world right now? What the hell has happened to "I want to build something, so I'll build it"? Now you have to [1]pay $100 for the privilege of reading the mailing list for an open source project? And some guy needs $25,000 just to start it? Guys this is...not good. Can you imagine if apache's kickstarter never got funded? If the linux kernel's didn't?…

Patronage is a model that has existed as long as artists. You wouldn't be able to go see Michaelangelo's work without this model. But people have, and do, paint for free, too.

I don't see why it's a bad thing that in modern times, skilled and famous artists continue to do work for hire. The fact that Yehuda is asking for crowd funding instead of funding from an individual is just in the details.

Re: Kickstarter: rails.app

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Post by sanderjd »

moe wrote: post #74

As much as I like yehuda, he's tackling a non-issue here and I'm at a loss to understand how he even arrived at the project scope as he describes it. Installing Rails on a Mac is largely trivial. It's literally 5 shell-commands, depending on the current level of breakage of rubygems (but that's a different story). Write a tutorial in your blog if you really feel this is hard for newbies. The hard part is installing t…

As you pointed out, your problem and the problem he is trying to solve here are completely different. Your problem definitely exists, and lots of people are working hard on solving it, whether that means those working on improving chef and puppet themselves, or on other less flashy configuration management systems, or on new projects that are attempting to improve on the existing solutions in a more fundamental way. Presumably Yehuda is simply less interested in contributing to that work than in trying to solve this other unrelated problem. You may argue that this problem does not exist, but the many articles decrying how hard rails has become and the competing projects that are also working on this suggest that you are wrong.

Also, it's way more than 5 shell commands and even if it were only 5 it would be worthwhile to make it easier.

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