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Seems like this is connected to rails 4 release: sidebar: "and your input will guarantee that Rails 4 is as great for beginners as it is for experienced developers."
The main link to Rails 4 is that we've announced that Rails 4 will drop Ruby 1.8.7 support, which means that some sort of install will be mandatory on OSX beginning with Rails 4.
The second is personal, so please take it with a grain of salt. I pointed out that Yehuda's Bundler gem has an automated condescension feature; if you try to use it without saying 'source :rubygems,' it heckles you and mockingly asks you 'did you mean to say source :rubygems? if so please go back and type it in.' this is pretty anti-Rails in my opinion, insofar as Rails is about sane defaults and programmer happiness. But I raised this issue, and the only response I got was 'fuck you.'
If I've had that kind of interaction with you, and you want my money, you better have an absolutely rock-solid plan for world peace. This is something other than an absolutely rock-solid plan for world peace, I've had that kind of interaction, he's not getting my money.
Not proud of taking the conversation there, but I do at least want to be honest. I gave Ze Frank $600 on his Kickstarter, but this project isn't getting a dime from me. I had in fact been thinking of contributing some amount in that range but after a brief attempt at talking to Yehuda spent it instead on a music class I wanted to take. :-)
Anyway, another objection: I've never heard of him doing anything with Objective-C and have no idea if he's ever even used the language before.
(If you follow @jm on Twitter you know where I'm stealing a lot of these ideas from.)
Another objection goes back to the first one, the XKCD 'standards' thing, and comes from a @jm tweet as well as from an undervalued comment buried way, way, WAY the fuck down at the very bottom of this page: we already have several projects of this nature. For instance:
https://github.com/thoughtbot/laptop
http://bitnami.org/stack/rubystack
https://github.com/joshfng/railsready
So yeah. There are too many competing standards. What to do? I know! Create a new standard!
I think a much better and simpler solution is to tell people to read http://railstutorial.com/
But the best objection comes from @patmaddox on Twitter:
http://mobile.twitter.com/patmaddox/status/18513425005033472...
Step 1: make Rails hard
Step 2: ask for $25K to make Rails easy
Step 3: PROFIT
As Rails founding fathers complained of Java frameworks bloat, today's micro-framework fans complain of Rails bloat. Quite a cycle we've come through, isn't it ?
PLEDGE $100 OR MORE
The previous rewards, plus access to the internal list for the project,
where I'll be soliciting feedback about how to nail this.
3 step process: Step 1: Download the "Command line tools for Xcode" here https://developer.apple.com/downloads/index.action Step 2: Install homebrew with this command /usr/bin/ruby -e "$(/usr/bin/curl -fksSL https://raw.github.com/mxcl/homebrew/master/Library/Contribu... Step 3: gem install rails
Rails 3+ requires a js runtime too, if you don't install one you'll get an ugly crash the first time you try to do anything.
I have several problems with this. The first, and most important, is here: http://xkcd.com/927/ The second is personal, so please take it with a grain of salt. I pointed out that Yehuda's Bundler gem has an automated condescension feature; if you try to use it without saying 'source :rubygems,' it heckles you and mockingly asks you 'did you mean to say source :rubygems? if so please go back and type it in.' this is p…
> (By the way, for those of you who follow the arcane but politically-charged world of blog syndication feed formats, you can see the same thing happening over there. RSS became fragmented with several different versions, inaccurate specs and lots of political fighting, and the attempt to clean everything up by creating yet another format called Atom has resulted in several different versions of RSS plus one version of Atom, inaccurate specs and lots of political fighting. When you try to unify two opposing forces by creating a third alternative, you just end up with three opposing forces. You haven't unified anything and you haven't really fixed anything.)
I have several problems with this. The first, and most important, is here: http://xkcd.com/927/ The second is personal, so please take it with a grain of salt. I pointed out that Yehuda's Bundler gem has an automated condescension feature; if you try to use it without saying 'source :rubygems,' it heckles you and mockingly asks you 'did you mean to say source :rubygems? if so please go back and type it in.' this is p…
I don't think that installing rails got any harder relative to where it was in the 1.0 days. vanilla rails locked to one version with globally-installed gems is just as easy as it ever was, so I don't know if its quite fair to say step one is "make rails hard"; the current state of the ruby world is a lot more enterprise-ready and that comes at a complexity cost and automating that away is inconvenient.
The tutorial made it extremely easy. I was up in running in an hour or two, and it only took that long because I am taking it rather obsessively slow, following all reference links, and brand new to Ruby.
I, for one, do not see the need for this.
As Rails founding fathers complained of Java frameworks bloat, today's micro-framework fans complain of Rails bloat. Quite a cycle we've come through, isn't it ?
Is rails technically a microframework? It feels absolutely massive compared to, say, Flask or web.py