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Re: Unions work

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Benefits to the country tend to also be benefits to the people of the country - or perhaps their children.

What do you mean by "to the country". Faster economic growth?

Faster economic growth tends to lead to happier citizens.

In fact, there is a philosophical school of thought that shows that happiness isn't related to the environment one lives in, but the improvement that one sees through one's lifetime. Economic growth can deliver that.

Re: Unions work

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Where does that amazing 59% come from? Oh yes: a survey the AFL-CIO conducted, with no details provided:

" In the early 2000s the AFL-CIO Department for Professional Employees started conducting survey of tech workers across the country found. In 2004, the survey showed that just 33% supported unionizing their workplace. By 2016, that had grown to 59%."

The only "survey" that counts is the actual election for union recognition.

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By AI guardrails they mean: AI cannot be used to write or rewrite scripts, and cannot be source material; but writers are free to use it if they wish. Reminds me of how elevators originally had operators, until everyone realized how wasteful and silly it is to have someone whose sole job is to press elevator buttons. As AI improves, we will come to feel the same about writers.

> As AI improves, we will come to feel the same about writers.

There's no purpose to many forms of media if it doesn't have a human author (besides making money, of course). You're describing content "grey goo" here. I'm not sure why anyone should feel positively about such a development.

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> unions are for fighting for better conditions for their workers regardless of gender or race

Regardless of, but not blind to. Different workers do experience different conditions because of race and gender among other things, and unions need to account for those differences not pretend they don't exist.

> I could in no way trust a tech Union to actually fight for me and not against me

You probably didn't mean it this way, but this strongly implies to me you are knowingly doing things that someone who cared about racial or gender equality would feel like they would need to fight. Why is that?

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That is precisely what a union is - a political block. Ostensibly the block is based on enriching workers. Although in practice its always about satisfying the union which varies in actual alignment with worker enrichment. In this case there is less alignment than you would hope for.

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To clarify, are you saying that fighting systemic discrimination is a bad thing?

From my perspective (as, for what it's worth, a cis white man), ensuring all my colleagues have equity is a pretty strong win. I want my company to have the best working conditions possible. That means ensuring that the most talented people feel welcome there, regardless of their demographics. Which, in turn, means removing systemic ways that people from some demographics may not feel welcome or able to take those jobs. Where's the downside?

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By AI guardrails they mean: AI cannot be used to write or rewrite scripts, and cannot be source material; but writers are free to use it if they wish. Reminds me of how elevators originally had operators, until everyone realized how wasteful and silly it is to have someone whose sole job is to press elevator buttons. As AI improves, we will come to feel the same about writers.

Elevator operators were not replaced by buttons. Elevator operators were replaced by very complex computers with many redundant censors. You had elevator operators for safety not convenience... Similarly you seem to have the common misconception that the purpose of a writer is to churn out random text which can be replaced with LLM vs building a coherent story and guiding it through the creative process in support of…

That's the metaphor to a T: at one time it was necessary to have an operator, until technology reached a point where buttons would suffice.

In the future, script production and revision will still occur via committee, but the actual writing will not be done by humans.

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I have my doubts about unions in our particular industry sector, but out in the real world there are many, many jobs that you would have to be insane to take up without a union at your back.

Unions are fundamental in every line of work. Not having them is a huge problem. In Europe there isnt a single job without an union behind, wonder why in America that doesnt happen

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> unions are for fighting for better conditions for their workers regardless of gender or race Regardless of, but not blind to. Different workers do experience different conditions because of race and gender among other things, and unions need to account for those differences not pretend they don't exist. > I could in no way trust a tech Union to actually fight for me and not against me You probably didn't mean it th…

It doesnt imply that at all. The union by its own admission is treating members differently based on race. You cant claim that its good and not happening at the same time.

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> unions are for fighting for better conditions for their workers regardless of gender or race Regardless of, but not blind to. Different workers do experience different conditions because of race and gender among other things, and unions need to account for those differences not pretend they don't exist. > I could in no way trust a tech Union to actually fight for me and not against me You probably didn't mean it th…

I think we should have completely race and gender blind hiring and promotions. That enough is something someone that cares about equity is against, is it not? Being against equity, which is equal outcomes regardless of input, does not imply one is discriminating people by race or gender or harassing people.
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