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A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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“ Let there be no misunderstanding on the point that shaking is an absolutely real and dramatic form of child abuse. Inflicted head trauma is a devastating condition and a definite cause of traumatic brain injuries, including intracranial hemorrhage. Many medical determinations of SBS/AHT are made on children who have effectively been victims of violent intentional trauma. Prevention efforts against all forms of chil…

You're assuming that medical science is capable of providing an explanation in every case, when the whole point of this article is to say that these symptoms are insufficient to diagnose SBS. The author is saying if we have no alternative medical explanations, then we have no medical explanation at all. In order to diagnose SBS, the author suggests that you need additional evidence suggesting trauma such as bruising, broken bones, etc. Indeed, that seems to be what the SBS lobby is now saying as well, they just haven't communicated that to front-line providers.

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>> how many people are in jail or lost their kids due to something that didn't actually happen. Thousands upon thousands. By some estimates upwards of 10% of incarcerated individuals. The situation is just accepted. The general consensus is always that locking up too many people is better than than too few. It is on defense attorneys to check on the system.

Not everywhere is the US.

This isn’t even true for the US. In the US we believe it’s better to let a criminal run free than deprive an innocent of their liberty.

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Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science.

> Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science. Honest question, trying to parse your statement (and bear in mind I don't live in Europe, so I'm surely missing the obvious): do you mean that in Denmark there is a bias against Eastern Europeans, such as Romanians? Edit: excellent, got a downvote for asking an honest question and clarifying why I wrote it. Is this an example of the fine discour…

Yes, that's what GP meant.

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Pre-trial detention is a thing pretty much everywhere despite literally locking innocent people up before a trial.

Tough to see how else you would do it - a hypothetical murderer in broad daylight with a ton of reliable witnesses and video evidence would still have to wait for a trial, I don't think anyone would seriously say that this hypothetical person should be free until the trial happens.

I don't think so either https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-09-21/met-police-office...

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Even if the kids hemorrhaging continued, it was brought to the ER initially with fractures in the right side of the skull.

I did not know this detail, I know the Danish state offered apologies, the charges were dropped and the child was returned to the parents.

Yeah, nobody know the exact parts of the case. As its semi-secret (to protect the child and parents I guess). While the parents were cleared, this case is definitely not appropriate to this discussion as it was definitely not only hemorrhaging that started it. If a hospital gets a toddler with fractures on their skull, society should damn well figure out how it got them and stop it from happening again.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word "lest" is meant to come after something else. It means "for fear that" or "or else" or something similar. So it's not clear what you're trying to say. I don't know what "very systems" built by "the most evil" you mean either. Is it supposed to be obvious what you're referring to?

It's from a poem in 1897. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recessional_(poem)

Oh, okay.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everywhere is the US.

This isn’t even true for the US. In the US we believe it’s better to let a criminal run free than deprive an innocent of their liberty.

> In the US we believe...

Sadly, that varies enormously with the social status and wealth of the accused.

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> No way in hell will a single defense lawyer get someone to be able to research enough to figure this out. Why would we have to? We can just hire M. Rossant.

I wish, unfortunately I'm not a criminal defense lawyer nor a medical doctor! And I don't intend to be one anytime soon. ;) I think the most productive thing I can at least try to do is to raise awareness among lawyers, doctors, and all professionals involved. No one has the time to dig into it as much as I did, but perhaps I can organize and present our current knowledge as clearly as possible. The book is one littl…

First: I'm very sad about your son and also about your experiences afterward.

If you have the requisite "knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education" you can testify as an expert. No need to be a lawyer, don't need to be a doctor.

You gave yourself that knowledge and your knowledge exceeds that of the typical "they shook the baby" expert. I'd go with you any day.

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Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science.

> Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science. Honest question, trying to parse your statement (and bear in mind I don't live in Europe, so I'm surely missing the obvious): do you mean that in Denmark there is a bias against Eastern Europeans, such as Romanians? Edit: excellent, got a downvote for asking an honest question and clarifying why I wrote it. Is this an example of the fine discour…

Domestic violence is still common in Eastern Europe(i.e Romania) so go figure why there is a bias against Eastern Europeans.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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post #365

Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science.

> Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science. Honest question, trying to parse your statement (and bear in mind I don't live in Europe, so I'm surely missing the obvious): do you mean that in Denmark there is a bias against Eastern Europeans, such as Romanians? Edit: excellent, got a downvote for asking an honest question and clarifying why I wrote it. Is this an example of the fine discour…

I could not say I ever experienced it, but I have school-aged relatives that moved to Germany and received all sorts of crap from their peers explicitly for being romanians. Not a race thing because they're whiter than most germans( blonde, white, blue eyes).
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