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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Apple a) has a mutual interest in them remaining privacy centric as we do. B) most of your data is locked onto the device and cannot be accessed by anyone including apple themselves.

Both of your statements are Apple marketing speaking, and demonstrably false.

Present your work / citation needed.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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If you like Apple's policies, just don't sideload and install everything from their official AppStore. Nothing will change for you then. You can do it on MacBooks as well.

When this goes through, you can be 100% sure there will be a Meta-only iOS store along with a Google iOS store and all their apps will move there. After that if you want to use apps to access any Google or Meta service, you'll need to get it from their store - that doesn't have any pesky limitations on user profiling or stupid guidelines for privacy.

So don't install meta apps then since they want to fk you?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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If you like Apple's policies, just don't sideload and install everything from their official AppStore. Nothing will change for you then. You can do it on MacBooks as well.

When this goes through, you can be 100% sure there will be a Meta-only iOS store along with a Google iOS store and all their apps will move there. After that if you want to use apps to access any Google or Meta service, you'll need to get it from their store - that doesn't have any pesky limitations on user profiling or stupid guidelines for privacy.

Everyone is forgetting that Apple can respond.

All Apple has to do is lower their rake and announce some kind of privacy program that allows intelligent ad placement, and Facebook will stay on the main app store.

Alternative app stores are mostly dead in the water if Apple will act like they are competitive.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I think it makes sense to diversify, and if that means open-up so be it (for Apple or similar).

what worked well in last ~20 years isn't guaranteed to continue in that trajectory in the next 5 or 10 years even, since polarized Geo-political shifts make it more dangerous for a tightly-coupled enterprise [1] (enterprise-to-product coupling).

short-term makes sense to couple-tightly with a product, but not mid-term or long-term, for that it's better to focus on the market - think of the effects that sanctions (political or economical) or shortages (human or materials [chips, metals, oil etc]) could have on the enterprise's trajectory.

if you've got a monopoly, it's a good time to diversify [2], and sooner rather than later [1]

[1] enterprise could be a company or even a government

[2] hint "alliances"

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Yes, let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room, and jump to Windows and Linux to straw-man an argument. There are “no restrictions”, one can “install anything” and “run any app” on that, and still it is … “reliable”? But actually both Windows and Linux are “reliable” too. Windows is much, much stable in terms of backwards compatibility than macOS and certainly iOS. Linux is so reliable that it runs about 99.9% of t…

> let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room The worst experiences on macOS come from companies with enough clout to piss on the standard mechanisms. Installing their BS installers, having "updaters" to run on the background, not shipping a DMG or PKG, asking you to disable the SIP, never bothering to update to newer APIs, not using the Mac App Store, and so on... (and it's usually some of the more expensive softwar…

And that's why I use Citrix through an UTM Mac VM. That installer will create at least 3 background services running on root plus the app protection hooks (which happily run on a vm from which I can do pretty much it is meant to prevent through the host OS).

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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So don't sideload them and use apple's products just like before, you have the freedom to not install them

> […] you have the freedom to not install them What if Instagram decides to require side loading to install their app — in order to increase ad revenue?

Don't use instagram, simple choice))) Or, hear me out, you would be able to use insta in the browser with iblock installed so that you don't have ads and part of tracking!

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I tend to drop the bot/shill-detector part of my brain when I'm on HN, but whenever this topic crops up it's always a deluge of people with the same exact arguments saying "ohh my poor grandma will be coerced to install a Virus if we allow the owner of an iDevice any freedom whatsoever with hardware they bought!!!", and it's quite interesting to me the volume of comments with the exact same identical sentiment copy/pasted ad nauseam.

Hope this passes the same way the USB-C thing passed. All these parasitic megacorps with more money than many countries need to be whipped into submission for their shenanigans

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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If they do this, maybe not use Wa at all?

I'm not aware of any other alternative client available other than the default Meta one.

I mean, just don't use it. Also there are matrix/element, signal, telegram(a bit worse for security), or you can use Beeper if WA is so mega important

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

#679

I tend to drop the bot/shill-detector part of my brain when I'm on HN, but whenever this topic crops up it's always a deluge of people with the same exact arguments saying "ohh my poor grandma will be coerced to install a Virus if we allow the owner of an iDevice any freedom whatsoever with hardware they bought!!!", and it's quite interesting to me the volume of comments with the exact same identical sentiment copy/p…

People will blame everyone for their grandma's virus before blaming the real cuplrit: Apple.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Great, and then we can properly break up Facebook as well as Google. I see no downsides here.

Yes, please, let's do this. And Amazon too. In general; let's take that whole monopoly thing serious again, together with regulatory capture. I'm no free market liberal, quite the contrary. But competition is *good* and we should have more competition between these huge companies that basically make a living from extracting rent.

> I'm no free market liberal, quite the contrary. But competition is good

You sound at least a little bit as though you understand markets, though!

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