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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Kipters »

runeks wrote: post #648

I support forcing open standards on tech giants. But I don’t support singling out a specific tech giant (in this case Apple), since it means Apple’s also-tech-giant competitors get an upper hand. For example, why not force Google to open up Chrome, to increase interoperability? I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome and import them into the macOS keychain, and vice versa. If the EU focuses on Apple a…

DMA is not singling out a specific tech giants, it targets all platform holders of a certain size.

Google is hit too, they'll have to open up too.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by runeks »

Moldoteck wrote: post #640
cmdli wrote: post #184

I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

So don't sideload them and use apple's products just like before, you have the freedom to not install them

> […] you have the freedom to not install them

What if Instagram decides to require side loading to install their app — in order to increase ad revenue?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by ThatPlayer »

NietTim wrote: post #619
ImJamal wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s products Nobody is forcing you to use any third party browser or app store of anything else.

But opening up the sandbox makes everyones phones more unsafe.

There are no requirements for an open sandbox that any first party service doesn't also have.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

coldtea wrote: post #290
redder23 wrote: post #191

Maybe not surprising but if you read the comments on the website there seems to be only Apple fanboys commenting who are butt-hurt about it. You can not make this up, consumers who root for a monopoly. This reminds me of gamers who hate the Epic Games Store with passion even though they give the actual devs of the games a bigger cut. Competition is always good for the consumers. And I get the security part when it co…

> Competition is always good for the consumers. So lets have a walled-garden OS compete with a sideloading-enabled/free-for-all/anything goes OS. But no, instead they have to break a good thing. Now every idiotic company like Adobe will demand their own installers, and updaters, and background processes that you can't turn off, and piss all over the iOS, like they do on the macOS. And let's not get started onto force…

So don't use adobe? Why you are writing like you are forced to sideload? You can just not sideload and stay in the apple's ecosystem and be safe. Don't install chrome if it's worse experience than safari? That's the thing with freedom: if you value your privacy, you'll still get it without sideloading/not using products that are screwing you

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by pojzon »

Im reading this whole discussion and Im totally buffled by ppl trying to FORCE their way of thinking on others.

Nobody forces ppl to use Apple products, nobody forces ppl to use Google products. Ppl do so because they have no options to choose from.

So - Instead of fixing the issue of "there is no options to choose from" we try to force OUR rules on companies that operate totally within the rules of open market.

The issue we have should be solved by GOVERMENTs to make it easier for others to build and grow as competitors to Apple and Google.

But that requires donations, easier access to market, good conditions on the market. THIS is not something that can be easly done. So GOVERMENTs try to convince ppl the "big bad IT" is at fault for how the world works.

Tho they play only following the rules created by GOVERMENT in the first place..

So instead of being mad at GOVERMENT, ppl are mad at random companies. What a joke.

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Post by Mashimo »

FieryTransition wrote: post #632
idkwhoiam wrote: post #614

Hey EU, can you please ask BMW to open everything up to its rivals so that I can use Toyota's infotainment system instead of BMW's iDrive. I also want to be able to run PS games on XBox & vice versa without having to buy separate copies. And lastly, how about you open up your very own market to everyone by lifting protectionist taxes

I live in one of the myriad of countries in the eu, so I'm confused about what you mean when you say protectionist taxes and which country you are referring to or just something else?

I think he is talking about import tarifs for certain goods that enter the EU. But I would also to know what exactly he means.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

lacker wrote: post #301
organsnyder wrote: post #70

I was at [IAPP Global Privacy Summit]( https://iapp.org/conference/global-privacy-summit/ ) 2022, where Tim Cook gave a keynote. He started with highlighting all of the ways Apple protects its users privacy (many of which are great, and the reason I use Apple products!), but then he pivoted to make the case that Apple being forced to allow rival app stores would compromise their ability to protect users' privacy. Thi…

The app store rules and review process are essentially the only thing that prevents Facebook from tracking you across all applications that use the Facebook SDK. It probably isn't possible to prevent tracking in a purely technical way. Even if two applications can't share data directly, they can each share fingerprinting information with a server, that allows Facebook to track you. This sort of tracking can work even…

So if you don't install fb app from another place pr don't use fb at all, privacy will be preserved, gotcha

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by sensanaty »

coldtea wrote: post #284
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room, and jump to Windows and Linux to straw-man an argument. There are “no restrictions”, one can “install anything” and “run any app” on that, and still it is … “reliable”? But actually both Windows and Linux are “reliable” too. Windows is much, much stable in terms of backwards compatibility than macOS and certainly iOS. Linux is so reliable that it runs about 99.9% of t…

> let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room The worst experiences on macOS come from companies with enough clout to piss on the standard mechanisms. Installing their BS installers, having "updaters" to run on the background, not shipping a DMG or PKG, asking you to disable the SIP, never bothering to update to newer APIs, not using the Mac App Store, and so on... (and it's usually some of the more expensive softwar…

I sadly have to use a Macbook for my dev job and I've literally never come across anything you're mentioning here, I can't see how any regular user would be coerced into disabling SIP

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by precommunicator »

pojzon wrote: post #665

Im reading this whole discussion and Im totally buffled by ppl trying to FORCE their way of thinking on others. Nobody forces ppl to use Apple products, nobody forces ppl to use Google products. Ppl do so because they have no options to choose from. So - Instead of fixing the issue of "there is no options to choose from" we try to force OUR rules on companies that operate totally within the rules of open market. The…

Government to which these "random" companies spend millions on lobbying and donations to re-elect. Sure.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by robertlagrant »

noirscape wrote: post #660
faeriechangling wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

If Blink becomes a monopoly, and with it chromium, then Google can finally be "properly" hit with an antitrust case over Chrome. Especially when combined with the fact the big G can't keep directly funding Firefox to create a fake competition anymore under the new rules from the digital markets act. Google should've been hit with an antitrust case on Chrome years ago and their recent shenanigans with the topics api o…

> If V8 becomes a monopoly, and with it chromium, then Google can finally be "properly" hit with an antitrust case over Chrome

V8 isn't a monopoly in the antitrust sense, at all. Google gives away the source code to most of Chrome that allows other people to make browsers with it, and they do. Something being popular doesn't indicate a monopoly. Microsoft could choose to make a browser engine, but they don't, and it's not because V8 is a monopoly.

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