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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #516
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

I don’t want Facebook to be able to say that I can’t use Whatsapp unless I install their rootkit store.

If they do this, maybe not use Wa at all?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by lodovic »

Spivak wrote: post #471
Kinrany wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So less freedom is good because freedom is good but any extra freedom will be stolen anyway? This is an idiotic take.

Yes, you're poorly explaining the difference between freedom-as-in-liberty and freedom-as-in-anarchy and then calling it idiotic. You are literally more free if there were no laws about murder but your actual real life freedom would be reduced because you of all the precautions you now have to take. Apple right now is operating as a de facto governing body forcing developers on the platform to follow its rules that w…

> And lord knows actual governments, even the EU, aren't going to enforce consumer protections

The EU probably has the strongest consumer protection laws. And they do enforce them. Which is the subject of the linked story.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Vinnl »

allenrb wrote: post #383

Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…

I don't want my Apple phone to be opened up, I want my customer's Apple phones to be opened up.

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Post by idkwhoiam »

Hey EU, can you please ask BMW to open everything up to its rivals so that I can use Toyota's infotainment system instead of BMW's iDrive. I also want to be able to run PS games on XBox & vice versa without having to buy separate copies.

And lastly, how about you open up your very own market to everyone by lifting protectionist taxes

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by nihilius »

dmz73 wrote: post #424
jeroenhd wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you read the comments on the website there seems to be only Apple fanboys commenting who are butt-hurt about it It makes sense, though: Apple is all about making things easier for the user at the expense of third party developers. Users don't need to deal with app reviewers denying bugfixes because they used the demo credentials on the wrong app, they can just be mad at apps for being buggy. Banks all around the…

Apple claims they make things easier but that is not actually the case. They may make a few things easier than Microsoft or Google but they make a lot of things harder too. All their hardware is harder to repair than what is available from competition. Their documentation is inferior (if it exists at all) to even open source project. Software from Apple is hard to use for anyone not used to it which negates their "in…

Are you sure about your Statement "All their hardware is harder to repair than what is available from competition."?

https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/smartphone-scores

    Apple iPhone 14: 4
    Apple iPhone 14 Plus: 7
    Apple iPhone 14 Pro: 6
    Apple iPhone 14 Pro Max: 6
    iPhone 13 Pro: 6
    iPhone 12 Mini: 6
    iPhone 12 Pro: 6
    iPhone SE 2020: 6
vs.

    Samsung Galaxy S22: 3
    Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: 3
    Fairphone 4: 10 (ok clear winner :D)
    Google Pixel 6: 6
    Google Pixel 6 Pro: 5
    Google Pixel 5a: 6
    Mi 11: 4
    Huawei Mate 40 Pro: 4
    Microsoft Surface Duo: 2
    Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra: 3
    Samsung Galaxy Z Flip: 2
    Motorola razr: 1
    Google Pixel 4 XL: 4
I mean, they are all bad, but looks like Apple is not "harder to repair".

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

sugarkjube wrote: post #398
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

> I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing Dream on. I use Firefox on my (android) phone and tablet, and it is seriously crippled. Also evolving in the wrong direction. (becoming more crippled)

Idk, I use ff for some years and it's pretty nice, esp with ublock and darkreader and yt background extension

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #243
cmcaleer wrote: post #216

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The Pixel 5's security update end of life is in two weeks[0]. This is a phone that launched October 2020. My iPhone XS which I bought in 2018 just got the iOS 17 update and it's working pretty well. I want to be able to load whatever I want on my phone, but I also don't want to have to buy a new phone every couple years (or sooner! Looks like the 5a is still in production with security updates ending in 11 months) to…

The rumors are that the Pixel 8 and Pixel 8 Pro will launch with a promise of 7 years of updates, including not only security fixes and bug fixes but also feature drops. We’ll see what’s announces next month, but Google might be about to jump ahead of even the iPhone on this point. Disclosure: although I have worked for Google in the past, I haven’t worked for them in more than 8 years, never worked on Android or Pix…

Yeah, and also google did a poor job with lens coating on P7 so that lens flare is ruining any photo with too many light sources And the phone overheats with camera/video turned on for more than 15 mins, even 30fps 1080

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

jabiko wrote: post #565
FredPret wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a prison to keep me in. It’s a wall to keep bad things out.

And so is my apartment door. But I can open the door whenever I want and its not up to my landlord to decide which guests I invite.

Except that it is certainly up to everything you consume to demand that you install their app through their shitty third party store.

Imagine if your appliance manufacturer could dictate that you kept your door open for them.

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Post by NietTim »

ImJamal wrote: post #539
allenrb wrote: post #383

Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…

>Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s products Nobody is forcing you to use any third party browser or app store of anything else.

But opening up the sandbox makes everyones phones more unsafe.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

breeze1990 wrote: post #587
cmdli wrote: post #184

I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

Has it occurred to you that Apple might not be that different from other companies you listed. It's just good marketing strategy like Google had "don't be evil" years ago. Essentially apple is like only I can access all user data for profit, improving products, ads, while others can't.

Apple a) has a mutual interest in them remaining privacy centric as we do. B) most of your data is locked onto the device and cannot be accessed by anyone including apple themselves.
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