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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by matheusmoreira »

caskstrength wrote: post #586
matheusmoreira wrote: post #574

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> buy an Android device and install whatever software they want like I did Good luck with that. Hardware remote attestation will fail, outing you to the corporations as someone who "tampered" with the device. You'll be refused service based on that alone, from frivolous content consumption to vital banking services.

What does it have to do with forcing Apple to allow installing iOS software outside of their approved appstore? Manually installed FF from hypothetical non-Apple store will somehow magically pass remote attestation on iOS or what?

It has everything to do with it. Computing freedom is paramount. We should be able to install whatever software we like on our machines. Therefore it follows that corporations shouldn't be able to discriminate against us for doing so.

Things like remote attestation should be illegal.

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Post by no_time »

pb7 wrote: post #429
cm2012 wrote: post #417

Every regulation the EU puts on Apple delights me.

It's the only thing it can do. It's not like it's going to suddenly become competent in technology and create viable competitors.

EU citizen here, I'd prefer to have these regulations instead of a third digital serfdom. Be it EU based or not.

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Post by shuckles »

jedimind wrote: post #501
allenrb wrote: post #383

Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…

your regurgitated talking points are copy pasta at this point, they have been thoroughly refuted a billion times - so I'm gonna keep it short and sweet, if Apple doesn't like the European guidelines they are welcome to stop selling their products there.

Really weird response to a person that seems to instead be addressed to Apple Inc?

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Post by pomstazlesa »

jd24 wrote: post #583

Just use android if you care about things being open. Apple products are good because of the walled garden. Most people just want things to work out of the box, not to tinker with options.

And yet most people use Android. Let's be honest, apple is not making products for the most people. It's very much a status thing of "those who have Apple and those who don't"

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Post by sixstringtheory »

I see a lot of people downplaying the claimed downsides of “Meta/Google will just build their own app store and force you to use that” or that malware will proliferate via 3rd party app stores by saying “well nobody is going to make their own app store, it doesn’t really happen on android either”.

So if no 3rd parties are going to make their own app stores, why force Apple to provide the ability at all? It’s a huge engineering cost to do so.

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Post by shuckles »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #513
thebruce87m wrote: post #141

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I don’t want something shittier that I will invariably have to learn about to remove from my families phones. It suits me fine if it doesn’t exist at all.

Just because optional sideloading might create a mild inconvenience for you, you support the abusive policy that creates a huge problem for millions of users.

What’s a killer sideloaded app on Android that iPhone users suffer from not having? Fortnite? I’m looking for problems on the scale of millions of users.

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Post by shuckles »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #67

It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".

There is no inconsistency in your examples when you reframe the second point as: if you don’t like the terms at which Apple sells you devices, don’t buy Apple devices.

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Post by Sprocklem »

dmt0 wrote: post #528
brokenmachine wrote: post #506

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In what way is android Firefox crippled? I have adblocking and even use Tampermonkey on it.

And in fact you can use ANY extensions if you use Firefox Nightly with Collections https://www.androidpolice.com/install-add-on-extension-mozil...

Also, firefox on android will be supporting the install of any extension without using nightly and collections very soon.
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