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A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by p-e-w »

WA wrote: post #179
p-e-w wrote: post #140

> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

Source? Incarceration rate seems to be going down in western countries: https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/07/1096042

The scale of incarceration is still unprecedented. A reduction by 27 percent doesn't change that. Imprisonment was an extremely rare phenomenon for much of history (as was police, for that matter). Today's incarceration rates would have to be reduced by 99+% in order to reach pre-modern levels, where large cities often had only a handful of cells in total, and rural areas had none at all.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by lm28469 »

p-e-w wrote: post #140

> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

> the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense

That's a lot of work, a lot of malice, a lot of hate, from a lot of people, for a very meagre result.

If that's how you view your government you must live a really painful existence

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by yawpitch »

WA wrote: post #179
p-e-w wrote: post #140

> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

Source? Incarceration rate seems to be going down in western countries: https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/07/1096042

Their source could be your source, which you seem to be very seriously misreading.

> As the global population grew 21 per cent, between 2000 and 2019, the number of prisoners worldwide jumped by more than 25 per cent, according to the UNODC data.

So, worldwide trend is upward.

> While Northern America, Sub-Saharan Africa and Eastern Europe have experienced a long-term decrease in imprisonment rates of up to 27 per cent, other regions and countries, such as Latin America, Australia and New Zealand, have seen up to 68 per cent growth over the last two decades, the study revealed.

So apparently your definition of “western countries” includes sub-Saharan Africa but excludes most of Europe and all of Australia and New Zealand?

Overall your own source supports their point and contradicts your own.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by p-e-w »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #164
p-e-w wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The medical system is a reflection of pop parenting culture Indeed. And not just in relation to parenting. The average doctor is constantly trying to emulate TV doctors, just like the average police detective is influenced by what they see on CSI, and every archaeologist wants to be Indiana Jones or Lara Croft. It would be hilarious, if it didn't have such disastrous consequences for regular people every day.

Huh? Doctors don't base their decisions on House episodes. Not even ER episodes.

No, but they base their behavior and expectations on such shows. Life imitates art.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by lm28469 »

p-e-w wrote: post #191
WA wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Incarceration rate seems to be going down in western countries: https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/07/1096042

The scale of incarceration is still unprecedented. A reduction by 27 percent doesn't change that. Imprisonment was an extremely rare phenomenon for much of history (as was police, for that matter). Today's incarceration rates would have to be reduced by 99+% in order to reach pre-modern levels, where large cities often had only a handful of cells in total, and rural areas had none at all.

> Imprisonment was an extremely rare phenomenon for much of history (as was police, for that matter).

And crimes weren't solved, people not prosecuted, criminals not punished

For much of history life didn't even exist, that's not an argument for or against anything

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by p-e-w »

lm28469 wrote: post #192
p-e-w wrote: post #140

> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

> the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense That's a lot of work, a lot of malice, a lot of hate, from a lot of people, for a very meagre result. If that's how you view your government you must live a really painful existence

> for a very meagre result

Power is not a meagre result. For those people who live by it, it is the ultimate goal, and they will use any means to obtain and expand it, no matter the cost to others.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by heavyset_go »

tivert wrote: post #174
stephen_g wrote: post #127

Amazing that bit about child welfare organisations fighting against the science, when clearly taking children away based on false accusations is clearly far worse for the child’s welfare, not to mention the parents’! It’s just incredible the injustice that can be done in the name of protecting children. I really do wonder if it’s cultural or some kind of innate psychological irrarionality that seems stronger in some…

> Amazing that bit about child welfare organisations fighting against the science, when clearly taking children away based on false accusations is clearly far worse for the child’s welfare, not to mention the parents’! This is just speculation, but I bet those groups (or their members) aren't always calmly and coolly trying to find the best policies protect the welfare of children. Instead they feel themselves on a k…

I suspect that was the motivation for Apple's iPhone client-side scanning and reporting of CSAM feature and the subsequent hard push for it.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by pests »

hammock wrote: post #33

TLDR: There are issues with the way/how quickly we diagnose shaken baby syndrome without exploring other potential diagnoses, and with how severely/quickly we take kids away from their parents once we "think" we have a shaken baby

> we diagnose shaken baby syndrome without exploring other potential diagnoses

It's more that 'shaken baby syndrome' is caused by more things than just a shaken baby (and evidence that shaking does not cause it even.)

> the more neutral and objective term of “retino-dural hemorrhage of infancy” (RDHI).

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by Huggernaut »

msteffen wrote: post #114
jt2190 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We had to demand formula I don’t understand. You can’t just go to the store and buy infant formula?

In the US (not sure about other countries), new parents often stay at the hospital where the baby was delivered for a few days after the birth. During this time, the hospital often provides them all their food and childcare supplies: diapers, swaddles, diaper cream, wipes, etc. To get formula, you have to ask the hospital for it, but if your nurse doesn’t want to give it to you because they think you should try harde…

In the Netherlands, for the 8 days after you give birth, someone comes to your house for some number of hours per day (in our case 8) to teach you these things, maybe do some tidying and cooking but most importantly, take the baby so you can sleep! This is called kraamzorg.

It also has some similar pitfalls, as they are not necessarily specialists and it's still hard to disagree or do something else even if in your own home in the face of the supposed expert.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by heavyset_go »

lm28469 wrote: post #192
p-e-w wrote: post #140

> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

> the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense That's a lot of work, a lot of malice, a lot of hate, from a lot of people, for a very meagre result. If that's how you view your government you must live a really painful existence

It's just people "doing their jobs" and trying to get ahead.

That's the banality of evil.

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