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A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by iteria »

sneak wrote: post #81
OmarShehata wrote: post #78

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> A system that does not incarcerate anyone for any reason would be much preferable surely you don't actually believe that? I don't think the result of this is just 0 false positives. The result of that is a lot more crime, and a lot more injustice.

I think you (as is very common) vastly overestimate the effect of the threat of incarceration on crime.

I think incarceration is very bad at deterring future crimes, but it very good at delaying them. Someone in jail for 10 years is at the very least not going to commit a crime for 10 years. There is some merit to that until we have a better system.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by huytersd »

sneak wrote: post #70
huytersd wrote: post #68

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The welfare of someone else’s child doesn’t register very highly on a majority of people’s radars beyond basic humanitarian considerations. How about government provided daycare and forcing the mother to work.

Possession is nine tenths of the law. It's not someone else's child if it's in your house and you need a genetic test to deny responsibility. This idea that bloodlines are relevant is anachronistic superstition. Several of my friends are not genetically related to their children. It's simply not relevant.

Why are you trying to play off your limited anecdotal evidence as universal? It has been the most important thing since the dawn of human civilization and continues to be so. What if someone just dropped off a random child at your doorstep and tells you you’re responsible for its upbringing now. I can understand people that want to adopt but that’s a conscious decision they made on their part.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by jt2190 »

mberning wrote: post #89
Waterluvian wrote: post #52

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Nothing shook my faith in the medical system more than having kids. Holy cow is modern medicine still as smugly wrong as it’s always been. Every generation laughs at all the stupid stuff the previous generations believed, and then acts so confident that they’ve got it right this time. And as a result you get unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk.

Same experience. The medical system is a reflection of pop parenting culture or vice versa. Everyone was so gung ho on breastfeeding, but when the milk didn’t come in and our son wasn’t interested in a dry breast the only advice given was “keep trying”. Then the shock and surprise when baby is losing weight. We had to demand formula, which was given grudgingly, and left the hospital a day later. If we have another we…

> We had to demand formula

I don’t understand. You can’t just go to the store and buy infant formula?

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by maximus-decimus »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #56
Waterluvian wrote: post #52

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Nothing shook my faith in the medical system more than having kids. Holy cow is modern medicine still as smugly wrong as it’s always been. Every generation laughs at all the stupid stuff the previous generations believed, and then acts so confident that they’ve got it right this time. And as a result you get unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk.

My sister wouldn't sleep. The doctor constantly gave the "sigh, you're an idiot, you just do X and Y and they sleep" talk to my mother because nothing came up on their screening, even though my mother almost wanted to scream that something was clearly wrong and abnormal. Turns out, different doctor, serious vitamin deficiency. And medical incompetence by staff, not doctors, is also awful. My brother hated reading. He…

I do find it bizarre they don't verify you can see with your actual glasses.

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by linuxftw »

faeriechangling wrote: post #82
autoexec wrote: post #51

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Lots of other parents driven to look for answers about what happened to their child, but being far less educated on how to read and understand academic papers, ended up "doing their own research" and became antivaxxers. There's a lot to be said for having an education that enables you to evaluate scientific literature effectively.

I was in a private discussion group during the pandemic that "did their own research" First off, this was genuinely valuable during the first few months. Gigantic medical institutions were moving at a glacial pace and were making proclamations literally months behind the state of the research. In order to conserve masks, propaganda was put out that masks were only effective if you were a medical professional, and the…

We know now that the CDC and the manufacturers (and the media) lied about efficacy regarding preventing transmission/infection. In fact, the trials didn't even attempt to measure transmission or infection, and were not ever authorized for such. The only thing they were authorized for was reducing the severity.

Do not perpetuate the myth that the vaccines slowed the spread.

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Post by irjustin »

Waterluvian wrote: post #52
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #24

trully unbelievable, i lose faith in thr justice system day by day

Nothing shook my faith in the medical system more than having kids. Holy cow is modern medicine still as smugly wrong as it’s always been. Every generation laughs at all the stupid stuff the previous generations believed, and then acts so confident that they’ve got it right this time. And as a result you get unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk.

> unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk.

Stay away from mommy blogs/forums. Those are the most toxic cesspools I've ever witnessed. Things are changing, some of the newer ones are not nearly as bad, but man the judgement is super real.

Nurses are one thing, but personally, the worst is family members who think they know better and don't understand the data and that times have changed.

FORMULA IS PERFECTLY FINE.

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Post by cm2012 »

autoexec wrote: post #51
dartos wrote: post #27

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I think that speaks more towards the author than higher education. Definitely a tangent, but attributing that attitude to higher education is like someone attributing a doctor saving their life to an act of god. Like yeah if you squint I guess that’s true. My experience with higher education has been that of administrators taking advantage of my naivety for profit, elitism towards those not in academia, and dismissal…

Lots of other parents driven to look for answers about what happened to their child, but being far less educated on how to read and understand academic papers, ended up "doing their own research" and became antivaxxers. There's a lot to be said for having an education that enables you to evaluate scientific literature effectively.

The kind of people who get PhDs can also figure out how to read academic papers on their own. There's a lot of correlation/causation mix up on this thread.

For instance, people who get accepted into Harvard but don't attend have the exact same life outcomes to those who get accepted and do attend. The same is now true for college in general once you account for opportunity costs.

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

zamadatix wrote: post #99
razeh wrote: post #41

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No. When it comes to evaluating forensic evidence lawyers are, by training, too process oriented to solve the problems. Ask a prosecutor what the error rate is for fingerprints or DNA evidence and you’ll get a blank stare. They don’t even try to measure it.

You're telling me no defense lawyer thinks about arguing the evidence is unreliable or are you just saying the prosecution throws everything they can find at their side of the case? The former seems extremely hard to believe (lest you're about to become the greatest defense lawmaker of all time due to wisdom shared in a short HN comment) and the latter seems to be evidence of the system working both well and as desig…

> latter seems to be evidence of the system working both well and as designed

Prosecutors in America have one goal: close the case. At any cost, close the case. They are not interested in justice. They are not interested in finding the one who actually committed the crime. They are interested in closing the case. If that is “working as designed”, then we need to change the design.

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Post by User23 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #79
germinalphrase wrote: post #67

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I’m not questioning anything about your story. I’m just curious: what types of “junk food” were they recommending?

They routinely recommend pro inflammatory foods like peanut butter. It's an inflammatory condition. They recommend sugary foods. It's a condition that puts one at high risk of diabetes. They recommend ice cream as a high fat, high calorie food. It's a condition that predisposes people to having trouble tolerating milk and milk products, especially from cows.

Is this condition so rare that naming it will doxx your child? If not why not name it so others can add it to their mental toolbox in case it affects them or those they love?

Re: A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #84
parl_match wrote: post #37

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The justice system does the best it can with the information it has. It is far from perfect. It makes horrible mistakes all the time. The problem, of course, is improving it without knock-on effects making it worse. There are huge swaths of people doing the work required to make it better, every day. It's not as easy as turning a dial from "bad" to "good"

There are also huge swaths of people actively trying to make it worse, that's what the FBI did (does?) for years when it knowingly pushed junk forensics. Or what basically every prosecution does, when it knows that the science behind some things isn't airtight but still presents it in the best possible light to get a conviction.

> junk forensics

Fiber analysis (e.g. carpets)

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