Jessamyn finds some of the TTSS jokes to be funny and has even indulged in some herself. Therefore, I don't think TTSS is sexist, per se. Tired? Yes. Childish? Yes. Sexist? No.
Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
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Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
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I have a hard time imagining anyone here seriously saying, "Whether or not it's racism related is irrelevant." But I agree that men generally don't mind Bob with his hourly cracks about women (and maybe gays). That's why men swear up and down that they've never seen sexism in their workplaces. Because we simply can't see it. (And our society is sexist, so sexism is kind of like air.) Hard to imagine that silly ol' Bo…
I didn't want to get into an argument about sexism here so I've removed all my comments. My entire point was (and the ONLY thing I commented on) that multiple IRC bots are EXTREMELY ANNOYING and for her co-workers to be annoyed when someone introduced a new automated bot is exactly the experience I had and have, the issue of sexism is completely detached. The real issue here isn't sexism, the real issue is the comple…
Well said. And sorry for jumping up and down at you; hot-button issue, misunderstood your tenor.
Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
#113I have noticed an interesting double standard on HN: while working in porn is perfectly fine, saying TWSS jokes is sexist because it objectivizes women as sexual objects.
There's a lot of disagreement as to whether porn is "anti-feminist". The school of thought that says it isn't stresses the importance of female agency (that it's up to the porn actors to decide where they work). I don't see any agency in appearing in a "that's what she said" joke, so I'm afraid I don't see the double standard.
To clarify, I was referring to the technical people working in the porn industry, not the performers per se.
Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
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LOL - this is my fav comment on this thread. I feel like I have seen a shift in the comments on women in tech related articles on HN over the past few weeks. 2 weeks ago I had a really hard time reading the comments because they seemed either hate-filled or ignorant (like the comment above is mocking) but I feel like lately the discussion has become more intelligent. Or is that just wishful thinking on my part?
> I feel like lately the discussion has become more intelligent. Or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Knock on wood. (THAT'S WHAT SHE SAoh god damn)
Oh, well played. (",)
Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
#115There were several “Make them shut up!” responses.
May I introduce the gentlemen to the glorious /ignore twsrs command.
Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
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And in the end there will be no jokes. > I think we all agree that if somebody's feeling upset by > the jokes, it's not a huge loss to our comedic palettes > to have to find another source of humor, right? No. I strongly strongly disagree. I don't want a thermal dead of society, I don't want knee-jerk reaction to anything I say because I just mentioned some forbidden word, no matter with what intention and what conte…
> To quote Stephen Fry: "So fucking what?". Fry was saying that in response to people who were offended by his being gay. I hope you find at least a little humor in the fact that you've taken a quote from a man trying to fight bigotry and used it to defend bigotry? No? It's not thought-crime to say, "Hey, women are people too, and women are way more interesting when they're treated like people, not like sex toys." It…
This is a comment to print out and keep handy to staple to people-who-don't-get-it's foreheads. Thanks.
Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
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What I find the most fascinating is that she did everything exactly right and people still feel like she did something wrong. She didn't go to her supervisor and she didn't turn it into a drama. Instead she fought the problem in its own arena by making a IRC-bot to combat the problem, and not only that: the IRC-bot is only selectively used in the exact situation that is seen as problematic and it does so by writing e…
I realize this is just a startup, and many things that wouldn't fly at a large company are considered fun, however, the founders should really think twice about even having a TWSS bot. They are basically providing documented proof in writing of a hostile work environment. Sure, this employee handled it well and had a little fun with it, but there are many more litigious employees that will take your company to the cl…
It bears mentioning that the TWSS bot itself is probably meant ironically - it's satirizing the fact that some people almost mechanically tags on TWSS to anything remotely relevant by actually doing it mechanically.
Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
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Most slang words for penis (and other slang words describing men) are also normal words. (wood, hard, sausage, pork, balls) This is not the case with slang words for the female anatomy, which usually have no place in daily conversation. Google "slang for penis" and "slang for vagina" if you don't believe me/don't know very many slang words. Consequently, something a women would say in bed is more likely to crop up in…
The fact that the woman is only talking because she's in bed is what makes her a sexual object. The shes of this world say a whole lot more than cheesy bedroom euphemisms, you know. But the joke is situated on the premise that it's cool to brag about what a man's made a woman say while fucking her, or, its opposite, that it's embarrassing and unmanly if a woman's been disappointed by a man in the bedroom. In either c…
>"The fact that the woman is only talking because she's in bed"
Maybe that joke is told differently where you're from, but I can't imagine how one could take that away from "that's what she said." Ignoring that both of our fictional characters in this scenario are in bed, the idea behind the joke is to make fun of innocent phrases that could be considered sexual. Not that it's cool to brag about what a man's made a woman say or any of that other nonsense.
To me, a younger guy in my 20's, your analysis (I don't mean this personally either, however I think yours is indicative of what a lot may thing) seems to be a case of older folk far over-analyzing a silly, immature joke that stopped being funny years ago.
Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
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There's a lot of disagreement as to whether porn is "anti-feminist". The school of thought that says it isn't stresses the importance of female agency (that it's up to the porn actors to decide where they work). I don't see any agency in appearing in a "that's what she said" joke, so I'm afraid I don't see the double standard.
As if there is agreement that "sexist" jokes (or people telling them) are antifeminist.
Among feminists there is. Heck, there's science: "exposure to sexist humor can lead to toleration of hostile feelings and discrimination against women" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071106083038.ht...
The only people trying to argue "lighten up" are anti-feminists.
Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot
#120Not sure if anyone realizes this anymore, but 'that's what she said' is a shortening of "that's what your mother said" - a generic jokey insult (sleeping with someone's mom has been a way to show someone up since the old days). It's not really saying anything about women in general with the "she" - it's referring to a specific 'insult' that's been around for ages.
I wouldn't consider 'that's what she said' to be a sexist comment at all, but if others still do that's ok. Just a little history : )