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Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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It is my firm belief that anyone who wants to solve climate change through "carbon sequestration" either doesn't actually understand the technological requirements involved or is just trying to kick the can down the road. We need to reduce - that is the solution.

What're you going to do about all of the dead dinosaurs in the air that used to be in the ground?

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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We need to reduce draw down of our limited fossil fuel assets. Once their gone - they're gone.

If we hit peak oil right now - we are absolutely fucked.

I have a feeling like we're hitting it right now - given that car prices and housing prices are getting out of reach.

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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The Permian Basin in Texas, which has provided most of the oil supply growth for the last decade, is starting to slowly decline from its peak. Let's say that climate change is a nice way to tell people that we're running out of oil. Why would you want to do that? You'd want to say that energy demand is the problem, not energy supply. Thus, we need to get people to cut back on their usage and come together in a global…

I've thought along these lines too. Any time the possibility of scarcity it publicized, panic buying makes the problem far worse than it needs to be, as in the looming rice shortage or the recent toilet paper shortages. Oil is the lifeblood of industrial civilization, needed for everything from energy to raw materials; panic in the oil markets would threaten industrial civilization.

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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Don't laugh but a lot of public toilets in Europe are precisely this.

I'm honestly surprised Europe puts up with it. I imagine if they tried it here, people would just let loose on the floor if they were out of change. It seems like some do even while they're free. Maybe public urination is less of a big deal in Europe and people are fine with doorways or bushes if they're unable to pay the pee fee.

> I imagine if they tried it here, people would just let loose on the floor if they were out of change.

They do here (Europe) too.

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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I once worked somewhere where I found some evidence that the offsets we were considering buying were probably junk. The CEO agreed, bought them anyway, and proudly proclaimed to all staff how we were now a net-zero company. Junk offsets are cheaper.

Feels like modern form of absolving sins. All you need is charismatic preacher to bop you on theforhead and say you are saved.

As soon as a coin the the coffer rings carbon dioxide from the air springs!

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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The most verifiable type of offset that I've heard about is landfill methane capture. You can measure the amount of methane captured, and that is what you've offset.

But then what happens to the methane? Typically it's burned to make CO2. CO2 lasts longer in the atmosphere than methane.

Methane has roughly 25x the warming power as CO2, but burning 1kg of methane only produces a bit over 2kg of CO2

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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I once worked somewhere where I found some evidence that the offsets we were considering buying were probably junk. The CEO agreed, bought them anyway, and proudly proclaimed to all staff how we were now a net-zero company. Junk offsets are cheaper.

Sounds like your CEO is a piece of shit. Luckily not all companies operate this way and being directly involved in my company's net zero initiative I know we investigate every single carbon offset we purchase and its rarely the cheapest option. In some cases it's a little frustrating when you see things like "this offset is we won't cut down a forest in Alaska for the next 10 years" as that is piss poor, but there needs to be better regulations and oversight...and the government doesn't care because they are getting their piece of the pie too.

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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Are there any that aren't junk? Wren got a lot of promotion by YouTubers recently. Maybe they were paid to say nice things? Doesn't prove it's junk though? Where would you invest if you wanted to help?

Closest to non-junk that I know might be buying allowances out from EU emissions trading system. And even that I am not quite sure.

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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Carbon cap and trade, Carbon Offsets, and any other scheme to "cap and market" pollution is not about saving the environment, it is protectionist program of wealth redistribution nothing more. These programs are about control, and wealth redistribution lets stop pretending otherwise

> These programs are about control, and wealth redistribution lets stop pretending otherwise Shrug , if it's all BS but it does something to the mind-bogglingly skewed wealth distribution[1] we can still chalk it up as a win. [1] https://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM?si=90mDv90g1mq6-a0T

If you want to advocate wealth distribution fine, do it openly and honestly, not under the guise of a "climate crisis"

Of course most people understand wealth distribution is generally bad, and leads to terrible outcomes and rarely actually fairly and equitably distributes any wealth that is why it is almost universally rejected by the masses when tried.

wealth distribution is normally simply a method to impose authoritarian governance on a population while claiming to be a social good, so more or less wealth distribution is the same scam as Carbon Offsets.

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