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Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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This is in the voluntary carbon markets, quite separate to regulated carbon markets. It is unfortunate that so many may be junk, but in the end 380 billion T of carbon needs to be removed from the atmosphere between 2050 and 2100 to keep earth at 1.5 degree warming, assuming we hit current net zero pledges. This just means more regulation is needed for trust, not that carbon markets themselves should be ditched.

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Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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Are the other 22 % certain junk? The effects fundamentally do not seem offsetable. The offset industry is based on an idea that you can remove greenhouse impacts from your process without a significant impact on prices, and a corporation is somehow better positioned to donate to a fund than a consumer is. That's bullshit.

From the report: 16% were problematic, AKA they could not determine with enough precision if they were junk. The remaining 6% didn't publish enough information to even assess them.

So yes, they are also junk.

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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We will do anything but decrease our dependency on oil and gas (automobiles, energy generation, …), meat production/consumption, regulate O&G producers, and make our cities more efficient (migrate away from car centric transportation in the USA).

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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The Permian Basin in Texas, which has provided most of the oil supply growth for the last decade, is starting to slowly decline from its peak. Let's say that climate change is a nice way to tell people that we're running out of oil. Why would you want to do that? You'd want to say that energy demand is the problem, not energy supply. Thus, we need to get people to cut back on their usage and come together in a global rules based order to implement that. Telling the world we are running out of oil will encourage hyper-nationalism and cause the oil exporters to prematurely starve the rest of the world in an every nation for itself war of all against all.

What would be the tells that oil supply depletion is what's really going on?

Electrification of transport would be a high priority.

Carbon credits would be likely BS and half-hearted and nobody would check.

China would build 6x more coal plants than the rest of the world combined[1] and encourage reduction in coal usage in other countries to provide a more ample supply[2].

[1] https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/china-urges-eur...

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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I once worked somewhere where I found some evidence that the offsets we were considering buying were probably junk. The CEO agreed, bought them anyway, and proudly proclaimed to all staff how we were now a net-zero company. Junk offsets are cheaper.

Feels like modern form of absolving sins.

All you need is charismatic preacher to bop you on theforhead and say you are saved.

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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They just turn everything into a new way to make money. I’m not even mad, it’s kind of impressive at this point, and they keep getting away with it! What’s next? Pay-per-use single occupant gender neutral restrooms?

Don't laugh but a lot of public toilets in Europe are precisely this.

I'm honestly surprised Europe puts up with it. I imagine if they tried it here, people would just let loose on the floor if they were out of change. It seems like some do even while they're free. Maybe public urination is less of a big deal in Europe and people are fine with doorways or bushes if they're unable to pay the pee fee.

Re: Investigation: 78% of carbon offset projects globally are “likely junk“

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Are the other 22 % certain junk? The effects fundamentally do not seem offsetable. The offset industry is based on an idea that you can remove greenhouse impacts from your process without a significant impact on prices, and a corporation is somehow better positioned to donate to a fund than a consumer is. That's bullshit.

In principle, offsetting CO2 production seems like a sensible idea to me.

Someone willing to extract CO2 from the air and store it in some rock forever can indeed offset some carbon you emitted.

The reality is that nobody is doing that - instead the fraudulent offsetting companies are getting paid to do something they wanted to do anyway - for example planting trees for papermaking, or just plain-old lying about what they're doing.

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