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Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Did you learn anything that helped in your recovery? I'm 1.5 years in and nowhere near a full recovery yet.

I sure did. I'm writing a book on it right now. I have a couple of posts that might help: https://jondouglas.dev/long-covid/ (Maybe outdated at this point but tells the full journey) https://www.reddit.com/r/LongHaulersRecovery/comments/12iv4p... (Probably the most realistic summary) The most important thing in my opinion that I don't talk about in these posts is to stay informed on the latest research and become stu…

I think it's really a shame that aspirin is not emphasized more as a COVID and COVID-recovery treatment, given that it's known to help reduce clotting which is an important mechanism of COVID etiology. Even Biden's physician had him take it during his case.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Honestly I feel like the science community’s disregard for religion has caused them to completely fail at dealing with human psychology. Science has spent the last 1.5 centuries presenting itself as a counterpoint to religion, but they fail to understand that religion is just an early attempt at talking about the subconscious. So the science community continually misidentifies issues stemming from the subconscious as…

This is stated as if religion has never had it's own pseudo-science/medicine beliefs that conflicted with actual issues. "we don't know what's going on, so it must be a possession" type of things when it could have been something more more like schizophrenia or some other medical condition.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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I remember reading awhile back about a study that showed people with the flu are generally more social while the virus is spreading. There's also those nasty sugar cravings that seem to pop up when people diet, and it may be that the microbiome drives those cravings. It's a curious thing to think that the bugs in our bodies may drive our impulses.

I don't know the mechanism of the flu thing (and i have heard it, after you get infected you're more social until the virus confines you to bed), but the craving sugar thing is 100% gut biome, the grass-fed gut flora release opioids when they eat grass, which get sent, via the blood, to our brains, which make us feel good. not eating grasses means we go through opiate withdrawal!

> not eating grasses means we go through opiate withdrawal!

That's an unreasonable exaggeration. Nobody is getting significant opioid modulation and withdrawals from their microbiome.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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I remember reading awhile back about a study that showed people with the flu are generally more social while the virus is spreading. There's also those nasty sugar cravings that seem to pop up when people diet, and it may be that the microbiome drives those cravings. It's a curious thing to think that the bugs in our bodies may drive our impulses.

the idea that a virus can change the behavior of the host to make it more likely to spread is one of those things that's beyond creepy. lots of scifi based on this, and the ones that are more subtle are much more effective than getting bit by a zombie trope.

Have I got bad news for you. This is past speculation in certain species:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/cordyceps...

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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I had strep as a child and I developed tics and compulsive speech. Also some OCD. I'm almost 40 and I still have the compulsive speech. When I have awkward thoughts, I start cursing under my breath. Another kid in my class has strep, and he has OCD so bad, that some days he can't leave the house.

Wow weird, me too and never thought to connect it to strep. Any idea what about strep throat might be causing that?

Strep is the “S” in “PANDAS” - something about the strep infection seems to become resident in the brain causing the immune system to attack it. MRIs show a speckled inflammation in certain areas of the brains of kids with an active PANDAS symptoms / Strep infection.

We worked with one of the pioneering doctors when our child was suffering, and she said their best theory is that there was a version of strep which caused Rheumatic Fever / Rheumatic heart infection, which affected many kids each year. Sometime in the 90’s that dropped off, and then they started to see kids with strep infections and then sudden onset OCD, tics, mood lability, and sleep disorders.

Her theory was that the strep which caused Rheumatic fever mutated to instead stay resident in the brain rather than the heart, and the immune system kept trying to attack it, especially when triggered by other stimuli like exposure to other colds, viruses, or allergies, leading to “flares” of the illness.

We had a dramatic proof that the illness was related to our kid’s symptoms when we discontinued the antibiotics and his symptoms flared terribly.

Ultimately, we were able to achieve symptom reduction through a long course of antibiotics, tonsil removal (which seems related to the immune system’s over-reaction in PANDAS cases), and a dramatic reduction of exposure to other illnesses while we all were in covid lockdown for years.

I know other families who don’t achieve acceptable symptom reduction move to IVIG after trying other treatments, and have found some success with that. I’ve also heard similar success stories from people with OCD/Tics following Lymes diagnosis who get IVIG.

It may be worth seeing if you can find a doctor willing to examine the issues you’re experiencing as a post-infection syndrome and discussing inflammation reduction protocols and other treatments.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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I wonder if these findings may partially explain the often derided theory that childhood vaccines can cause autism. The article directly mentions that an autism misdiagnosis can result from psychiatric symptoms resulting from an autoimmune response after certain infections.

No, you don't understand, "vaccines" are just biological agents now. They're no longer merely "weakened" forms of what we're trying to protect against. Don't you see? Vaccines can't cause this sort of injury, because they're not the disease!

Definition of the word "vaccine": Nov, 2020: "Definition of vaccine: a preparation of killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificially increase immunity to a particular disease"

c.f. current definition: "Vaccine: b): a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein)"

don't worry, i'm sure it doesn't mean anything.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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I remember reading awhile back about a study that showed people with the flu are generally more social while the virus is spreading. There's also those nasty sugar cravings that seem to pop up when people diet, and it may be that the microbiome drives those cravings. It's a curious thing to think that the bugs in our bodies may drive our impulses.

the idea that a virus can change the behavior of the host to make it more likely to spread is one of those things that's beyond creepy. lots of scifi based on this, and the ones that are more subtle are much more effective than getting bit by a zombie trope.

I mean this is something well proven in parasitic infections. For example snails that climb to the top of plants to be eaten by birds when they are infected.

Also rats that are infected that go hang about places where cats have peed so they get ate spreading the infection to cats.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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I remember reading awhile back about a study that showed people with the flu are generally more social while the virus is spreading. There's also those nasty sugar cravings that seem to pop up when people diet, and it may be that the microbiome drives those cravings. It's a curious thing to think that the bugs in our bodies may drive our impulses.

I don't know the mechanism of the flu thing (and i have heard it, after you get infected you're more social until the virus confines you to bed), but the craving sugar thing is 100% gut biome, the grass-fed gut flora release opioids when they eat grass, which get sent, via the blood, to our brains, which make us feel good. not eating grasses means we go through opiate withdrawal!

This is fascinating. I wanted to know more about that but my cursory searches didn’t turn up anything except for connections between opioid use and gut microbes. It certainly feels like withdrawal!

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Honestly I feel like the science community’s disregard for religion has caused them to completely fail at dealing with human psychology. Science has spent the last 1.5 centuries presenting itself as a counterpoint to religion, but they fail to understand that religion is just an early attempt at talking about the subconscious. So the science community continually misidentifies issues stemming from the subconscious as…

The science community often includes religious people.

Jung may be right. He wasn't out to prove "science" wrong. He did his own thing.

I haven't seen many people outside Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss and Neil Degrasse seriously try and blame religion for scientific failings.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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> remember reading awhile back about a study that showed people with the flu are generally more social while the virus is spreading. Am I an idiot or is this clearly non-causal?

does seem weird as the flu usually makes me sore and not want to move at all.

You're probably still contagious for a while after the symptoms weaken.

But thinking about it, you're also probably in a good mood at the same time. So yeah, of course you're going to be more sociable.

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