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Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by otherfiftycents »

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #17

This has gotten so ridiculous to the point that I actually feel bad for Neimann. He has admitted to cheating, there's no debate about that. But he maintains that he has cheated in two isolated incidents, at age 12 and 16. These are mistakes, and given he is a titled player, very serious mistakes. But, beyond barring him from chess.com (a platform with whom his chief accuser has significant business ties), they've abs…

chess.com should release the cheating probabilities of every titled player who has ever registered and verified on chess.com . That would be the only fair thing to do. It should be in fact updated dynamically and visible on a player's profile at all times.

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by zzleeper »

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #17

This has gotten so ridiculous to the point that I actually feel bad for Neimann. He has admitted to cheating, there's no debate about that. But he maintains that he has cheated in two isolated incidents, at age 12 and 16. These are mistakes, and given he is a titled player, very serious mistakes. But, beyond barring him from chess.com (a platform with whom his chief accuser has significant business ties), they've abs…

When you said "at age 16" it made me feel the guy was 40 or so and it was long ago.

Not that the cheating took place only two year before the game against Carlsen, which is close enough to keep the same behaviors..

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by mellosouls »

This is a real lame story for the BBC, and hypocritical of them to be using a Piers Morgan "scoop" as the basis.

Nobody takes the original joke seriously as a suggestion and this whole story was recently resolved with a truce after the regrettable bullying of him (for past transgressions) by Carlsen, Nakamura and others.

That resolution is newsworthy, this rubbish isn't.

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

otherfiftycents wrote: post #21
ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #17

This has gotten so ridiculous to the point that I actually feel bad for Neimann. He has admitted to cheating, there's no debate about that. But he maintains that he has cheated in two isolated incidents, at age 12 and 16. These are mistakes, and given he is a titled player, very serious mistakes. But, beyond barring him from chess.com (a platform with whom his chief accuser has significant business ties), they've abs…

chess.com should release the cheating probabilities of every titled player who has ever registered and verified on chess.com . That would be the only fair thing to do. It should be in fact updated dynamically and visible on a player's profile at all times.

I agree, but the standard rebuttal is that this would allow cheaters to quickly learn the algorithm, which relies heavily on secrecy to disguise the tools they use to detect cheating. What say you?

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by xnorswap »

eigenket wrote: post #15
xnorswap wrote: post #3

The Daily Star really pulls it's weight. The original claim was just "cheating", it was the jokey British Tabloid press that made up the sex toy angle. The daily star isn't supposed to be taken seriously, but somehow it spread and took off a life of it's own.

Yeah, for non-British people, this is the newspaper which ran headlines such as: * Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster * Freddie Starr DIDN'T eat my hamster * Freddie Starr dead - but did comedian really eat a hamster? They can be safely ignored.

Almost as good as the classic Sunday Sport headlines:

> World War 2 Bomber Found on Moon, 14 August 1988.

> World War 2 Bomber Found on Moon Vanishes, 21 August 1988.

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by justrealist »

chippy wrote: post #16
justrealist wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neimann openly admitted to cheating on chess.com matches (and chess.com released a lot of evidence to the same end). It's not a boogieman.

It gets complicated as Carlson has large monetary investment in chess.com https://www.chess.com/news/view/chesscom-acquires-pmg It's not some independent platform or non profit. It muddys the water at least.

> Niemann has admitted to cheating in online chess matches when he was 12 and 16 years old but has denied ever doing so in during tournaments involving prize money.

Nobody made him say this! How is chess.com's ownership related?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/carlsen-chesscom-make-opening-...

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

whatamidoingyo wrote: post #20
Simulacra wrote: post #2

I never believed this for a moment, and I think the accusation was so disingenuous and in poor taste that it borders on obnoxiousness. Carlsen has an ego problem. To be fair, Neimann has been accused of cheating when he was a teenager, but based on the world champions behavior I'm willing to give Neimann the benefit of the doubt. Magnus got beat and he couldn't handle it.

> I think the accusation was so disingenuous and in poor taste It was literally a joke from Eric Hansen (Chessbrah). The media: "hey, anal beads, that's good. Let's run with it."

Wasn't it originally from a random chatter in Eric's Twitch stream, not GM Hansen himself?

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by maze-le »

ethanbond wrote: post #18
ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #17

This has gotten so ridiculous to the point that I actually feel bad for Neimann. He has admitted to cheating, there's no debate about that. But he maintains that he has cheated in two isolated incidents, at age 12 and 16. These are mistakes, and given he is a titled player, very serious mistakes. But, beyond barring him from chess.com (a platform with whom his chief accuser has significant business ties), they've abs…

That’s the thing about trust, ain’t it

We all did mistakes when we were teenagers, its part of the process. It takes courage to admit that. Whats the lesson to be learned here? Never be honest in the public ever again?

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by gorkish »

LightHugger wrote: post #7

He's a confirmed cheater. We just don't know for sure that he cheated in that match in particular. I'm used to games where if someone is caught cheating they're just banned from competitive aspects of the activity going forward. giving them a chance to get better at hiding their cheating doesn't work for games like chess. He should just go to a different pursuit.

> He's a confirmed cheater.

No; it's confirmed that he has cheated. If you believe that this is a quality of a person that cannot be changed or rehabilitated, that is fine, but you should take ownership of it and not attempt to represent it as a fact.

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by lesuorac »

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #17

This has gotten so ridiculous to the point that I actually feel bad for Neimann. He has admitted to cheating, there's no debate about that. But he maintains that he has cheated in two isolated incidents, at age 12 and 16. These are mistakes, and given he is a titled player, very serious mistakes. But, beyond barring him from chess.com (a platform with whom his chief accuser has significant business ties), they've abs…

I mean Chess.com has made a fairly strong claim that it's not just two incidents.

Also which part of the lawsuit [1] do you think was decided wrongly?

[1]: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65592749/niemann-v-carl...

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