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New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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Post by habosa »

grecy wrote: post #168
habosa wrote: post #154

There's a lot of skepticism in this thread but I will just say that the other laws like this have had a huge positive effect on tech job searching in my opinion. Looking casually at jobs lately I would say that 80% of them have posted salary ranges. This has been enormously helpful in a) helping me avoid jobs with inflated titles but low pay and b) attracting me to jobs I might not otherwise consider because of very…

A recent hiring posting here from a YCombinator backed company had salary ranges of $10,000-$1,000,000. Extremely helpful. /s

That actually is helpful, lets me know I should avoid dealing with that company!

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Post by anticensor »

j16sdiz wrote: post #158
test6554 wrote: post #152

Why not just list every job title where there are at least 3 employees with that title and the average salary for that title.

what stops the employer make up a new title for each and every employee?

Standardise job titles in a nationwide regulation and make employers pick titles out of them (with an allowance to propose a title for an exceptional work, subject to approval) instead of using arbitrary titles.

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Post by Emanation »

throwaway2203 wrote: post #166
habosa wrote: post #154

There's a lot of skepticism in this thread but I will just say that the other laws like this have had a huge positive effect on tech job searching in my opinion. Looking casually at jobs lately I would say that 80% of them have posted salary ranges. This has been enormously helpful in a) helping me avoid jobs with inflated titles but low pay and b) attracting me to jobs I might not otherwise consider because of very…

Sometimes, sure, but more often than not, I see salary range: 80k-180k depending on experience. Not very useful, that.

Or they just add a number after the job title, and create more as they need them.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

greenyoda wrote: post #216

Another worker-friendly thing that NY did recently was to crack down on companies' claims to ownership of intellectual property that employees create on their own time (the same kind of protection that California has): > Effective immediately, Governor Hochul has signed a law invalidating any provision in an employment agreement that requires employees to assign to the employer any rights to an invention developed en…

interesting. long live the NYC side project hustle.

curious to hear how the NDA and other laws shift around that.

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Post by Kerrick »

sokoloff wrote: post #164
Kerrick wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you are able to confidently measure yourself as 3x as good as somebody else, and because you're able to confidently measure value created to be a factor of 10 or more higher, you're able to measure what's needed to define "same." (Hint: it's those things, but at 1x.)

I'm flattered that you think there are no SWEs who are capable of creating 3x as much value per year as I am. I think you're incorrect, but I'm flattered.

You misread my comment. If you can definitively say that there are some who can create 3x as much value as you, then you can also definitively say that value is measurable.

The measurability of value is what was at question in this thread. “The same work should bring the same payment” is not incompatible with “some SWEs provide more value than others.”

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Post by [deleted] »

the_gipsy wrote: post #103
hiatus wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article seems to contradict your statement. > The law, signed by Gov. Kathy Hochul in 2022, also will apply to remote employees who work outside of New York but report to a supervisor, office or worksite based in the state.

That's not a contradiction.

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Post by tnel77 »

altdataseller wrote: post #53
prepend wrote: post #27

I think it’s better than nothing, but ultimately not helpful for job seekers working to learn how much a position will pay them. I work in a very regulated organization where all pay rates are published with postings. [0] But the ranges are $20-40k for each grade and it’s hard to tell what you will end up being offered and accepted. I think it helps prevent some mismatches of people confusing $20k and $200k positions…

I have asked some HR people this question about ranges, and most of them tell me they expect to pay the midpoint of the range. That is, if you meet the qualifications, they’ll offer you the midpoint. However if you blow them away or got some competing offers, they will offer you the high end. And if you got very little experience, the low end. That’s the rule of thumb. It doesn’t matter if the range is as wide as 80k…

I worked for a mega-corp (not FAANG) and my manager told me that the company did “extensive research” to determine market value for each position’s salary, and that their goal was to then be at 95% of that market value. So annoying that you, allegedly, know what the market value is and then purposely try to undercut it to save a little money.

I get that it’s a business and it’s nothing personal, but this company had insane profits and mad growth so they could afford to pay people a bit better.

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