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Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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1. Please don't email-spam one of the most significant OSS orgs in the world. 2. What has the author done to engage so far? Has Apache responded to their emails? Have they opened any threads in chat forums? 3. Honestly, just who cares? So what if OpenOffice is just being minimally kept alive?

> one of the most significant OSS orgs in the world

They haven't been relevant for years.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that “younger generation” programmers underestimate the value of governance in OSS. The recent Terraform kerluffle couldn’t have happened if Terraform was in the ASF, etc.

There is a quote: "When you stop growing you start dying" (William S. Burroughs). I am not sure I believe that the kind of governance that Apache is providing is helping to grow the projects under its supervision. Your comparison to Terraform is also interesting. Apache Kafka, for example, has been absorbed by Amazon (MSK). Apache Spark is Amazon EMR. Just looking through Amazon's paid service offering I find several…

Why do you think software needs to grow?

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Okay, so we've known this is happening for a while. But why though? First, I don't understand what's the ASF's position here. Do they have some political reason to keep kicking this can down the road? Is there money on the line? Is it just somebody refusing to give up? And given the licensing allows, why don't they rebrand LibreOffice, rather than keeping a zombie of a project? Or why don't they just make some sort o…

I believe a key issue is that the license of LibreOffice is copyleft (I believe some mixture of LGPL and MPL) and so the Apache Foundation--which specifically focuses on code that is not copyleft (a focus I personally disagree with, but is at least consistent)--feels something is lost to the world if they truly give up on the one permissively-licensed open source office suite.

You're completely right! The issue is, this mandate is being made by corporate donors and influencers which is why ASF should be a 501(c)(6) not a 501(c)(3) that it is. It's probably breaking the law, but at least unethical.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the continued co-opting of the name of a first nation as their "brand" despite repeated calls from stake holders to do otherwise has caused plenty of harm to the ASF brand.

It's no worse than Amazon being named after the rainforest and river despite not originating there, or Apple being named after the fruit despite not being a greengrocer. Names get reused, it's not a big deal.

Amazon is a place. Apple is a fruit. Apache is a people. Specifically, a people that had genocide committed against them. It’s at least a little worse.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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ASF is where software goes to "retire"; but retirement in this context is an euphemism for dying. truth is that the Apache Software Foundation is a software graveyard; this is known but not really "seriously" acknowledged. going straight away from the topic: why our culture does this? so many things are like this: there's a reality (ASF is a graveyard) but it's like rough or impolite to be upfront about it (but nooo,…

Guacamole is actually still developed and getting new features, surprisingly.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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I wonder if there is some process in Apache Foundations for projects to be depreciated/wind down With lack of activity in OpenOffice frankly it might be best for community if those projects join forces

“The Apache Attic was created in November 2008 to provide process and solutions to make it clear when an Apache project has reached its end of life.” https://attic.apache.org/

Yep. What I mean is what is the process of moving projects there ?

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Of course everyone agrees with OP's post. It's been dead for a while. We've been trying to convince Apache leadership to kill it forever. The problem is that the ASF is fundamentally broken. It's just a fake 501(c)(3) which actually runs like a 501(c)(6) -- which serves corporate interests, and it should be shutdown. All their projects are just about serving corporations instead of the public good, as legally require…

> It's just a fake 501(c)(3) which actually runs like a 501(c)(6).

Not everyone is familiar with the nuances of your country's tax codes. Would you care to interpret that?

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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post #58

1. Please don't email-spam one of the most significant OSS orgs in the world. 2. What has the author done to engage so far? Has Apache responded to their emails? Have they opened any threads in chat forums? 3. Honestly, just who cares? So what if OpenOffice is just being minimally kept alive?

> 3. Honestly, just who cares? So what if OpenOffice is just being minimally kept alive?

The post is about the fact that it is _deceptively_ minimally kept alive.

A significant part of the decision process involving OSS choice is measuring active maintenance. Surely, these commits exist to give a false impression here, which down the road can harm those using unmaintained software.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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A bit off topic but what’s an easy to use FOSS WYSIWYG text processor for Linux? I’ve tried OpenOffice and I became frustrated.

It depends on what features you need. Libre Office is a suite with database, word processor, spreadsheet, Abiword is just a word processor, WordGrinder is terminal based program specifically for first drafts that can export to ODT, HTML, etc., O20.Word is a clone of MS Word 2019, there are more: Calligrawords, Focuswriter, etc.

Abiword is probably the best compromise between simplicity, familiarity, and features. It's also very lightweight.

You should also consider Emacs Org-mode.

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