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EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by jeroenhd »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #9

What annoys me is this: I have a TMobile iPhone 15 Pro and three Erro Pro 6 units, all with wired backhaul. Over the wire, my fast.com results repeatedly reach ~1.2 Gigs. Over Wifi, from a foot away, my results are around 650Mbps. The local church recently had T-Mobile install a 5G antenna array around it. I'm about two blocks away. Over 5G, I get 1.4Gigs down, though my walls, through an entire house between us. But…

That sounds rather low, the Eero Pro 6 should support 4x4 MU-MIMO in the upper 5.8GHz band. You'll never get the advertised 2400mbps even on that band, but the 650mbps figure you state comes closer to the 2x2 rate of the lower 5.2GHz band.

Maybe you need to check your APs' settings, because these numbers sound off.

Edit: never mind, iPhones use 2x2 antennae. A little strange to not put in more in such a high-end device, but I guess it saves a bit of power. They do use 4x4 on the 5G chip, though? Very peculiar.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by ta1243 »

ilyt wrote: post #29
pzo wrote: post #6

> Wi-Fi 6's comparable maximum rate is 9.6Gbps. There is no consumer problem of today, no domestic use case imaginable, where 50Gbps works where 10 will not. iphone has just 2x2 MIMO antena so even with WiFi 6 can get only max 2.4Gbps (1.2Gbps per antena - someone correct me if I'm wrong). And those are only max speed in labs in perfect conditions. So there is definitely use case for WiFi 7 in consumer devices e.g. V…

Streaming raw video to VR headset is probably only situation when it makes sense for consumers. For near every single other thing it's a massive overkill

There's no qos or control over the radio channels. A 120gbit, 120fps, 8k stream is lovely, until you have network interference of 10ms and you drop a frame.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by pzo »

ilyt wrote: post #32
pzo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for iPhones maybe not but for drones or AR devices if you want to stream 4k at 60fps or 120fps then there is a lot of data to send. You could use iPhone as Drone payload for doing some site/construction inspection etc. Same with drones - they can fly very fast so would be nice to stream at 4k@120fps. Drones or iphones can/have many camera including lidar, depthmap (trudepth)

That is only the case if you wanted to stream uncompressed data (which for drones is definitely not needed), so VR/AR maybe, anything else it would be a waste.

compressing big video frames (4k) takes time. If your application is latency critical (and drones moving at 100km/h is) and you are streaming at 120fps you have only 8ms for video frame processing. Sometimes you also want uncompressed data (lidar, depthmap) not for human but for machine computer vision / processing.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by hnreport »

throw0101c wrote: post #12

The home upgrade that most folks need is a symmetrical fibre optic of some kind, with open-access [1] and either municipal [2] or non-profit at OSI Layer 1/2, with competition at OSI Layer 3. I think at this point 100Mbps would be the minimum, with diminishing returns once you start getting above 1Gbps (but available with XG(S)-PON(G.98(0)7)/NG-PON2(G.989)/HSP(G.9804) and 802.3ca). It was technically possible to wire…

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Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by ta1243 »

gandalfian wrote: post #3
snalty wrote: post #2

I don't think the Openreach ONT is going away for BT FTTP customers any time soon, so for now you are free to just plug whatever router you want into your ONT.

Unless you eccentrically expect to use your telephone line to make telephone calls. In which case you are rather tied to their router to power their propietary VoIP landline service.

For FTTP (or indeed FTTC) my ISP will sell a voip bundle for £3 a month or something on top. You just plug in a phone, maybe stick it on it's own VLAN if you want. There's plenty of other voip providers too.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by js8 »

throw0101c wrote: post #21
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet is designed for average people to suck down content, rather than create content. It's why I get 1gbps down but 35mbps up.

The Internet is designed for whatever we decide to design it for. The fact that most use cases are currently download-heavy does not mean other types of application could not be created if more bandwidth was available for upload. If you told people about streaming >1080p video folks with 9600bps modems back in the day would have thought you were nuts. Certainly there's probably a point of diminishing returns, but why…

> The fact that most use cases are currently download-heavy

Is it still true? I am happy with whatever I got but I thought a big consumer use case is multiplayer gaming, which requires low latency bidirectionally.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by dv_dt »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #9

What annoys me is this: I have a TMobile iPhone 15 Pro and three Erro Pro 6 units, all with wired backhaul. Over the wire, my fast.com results repeatedly reach ~1.2 Gigs. Over Wifi, from a foot away, my results are around 650Mbps. The local church recently had T-Mobile install a 5G antenna array around it. I'm about two blocks away. Over 5G, I get 1.4Gigs down, though my walls, through an entire house between us. But…

It’s more the provisioning of the network in your area than the actual link tech. t-mobile speeds outside my house have been going down from 10mbps down to around one as they’ve rolled out 5G upgrades (or maybe merged in sprints network).

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by RIMR »

The only thing that Wi-Fi 7 might solve right now is powerful local and ad-hoc data transfers. 48gbps would allow for SSD-like speeds over the air. On a home network, you could back up your entire laptop in a few minutes to a NAS. With ad-hoc you could film in raw 8K, and back up everything to a battery powered storage device in a backpack in real time, without needing to be tethered.

It certainly isn't a worthless upgrade, but your average user doesn't need it. It's definitely putting the cart before the horse, and for the majority of home use cases we need better reliability, not more speed.

Ideally, I would like to see a unified standard that allows for devices to connect different wireless bands simultaneously, allowing for both speed and reliability based on respective signal strength and quality.

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