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Call to shut down Bristol schools’ use of app to ‘monitor’ pupils and families

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Re: Call to shut down Bristol schools’ use of app to ‘monitor’ pupils and families

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I still don't get it--not being obtuse, it isn't obvious to me. Is the claim that differences in policing are due to discretion in law enforcement and not because victimization rates are different in neighborhoods of different socio-economic statuses? Discretion in enforcement is either lawful or not. If discretion is the key problem and lawmakers do not address it, then yes, the responsibility is on lawmakers and ul…

Discretion is not the key problem. Discretion is a necessary part of the job. Let me address victimization rates - because yes, they are higher in poorer communities. That does not justify in any way the behavior of police in those communities, which is to randomly pull over/stop and search/etc. people on the street who "look" like bad guys. If somebody kills someone, sure, arrest them and put them in prison. Most "b…

Wait, it sounds like you are shifting the goalposts. In the item "37598636" [0] at issue is Poor neighborhoods are policed far more heavily than wealthier neighborhoods. but here at 37605421 [1] the issue is how not how much policing is performed. Maybe the claim is better stated as "poor neighborhoods poorly policed stay poor."

Additionally, the americanactionforum.org link does not support the claim "Most "bad guys" sent to prison are not violent offenders (drugs, theft, homelessness, child support, etc.) with drug possession being a huge chunk of it."

The link is somewhat inconsistent. It claims "The United States currently incarcerates 2.2 million people, nearly half of whom are non-violent drug offenders" and "Of the 2.2 million currently being held in the U.S. criminal justice system, nearly 500,000 people are being held for drug offenses." .5M is about a quarter of 2.2M.

Looking at one of the cited sources [2, Table 13], the latest data is 2019 and states that a slim majority of prisoners are in prison for violent crime. Given that the ojp.gov survey does not include pre-trial jail, maybe % nonviolent drug offenders is different from the below data, but my null hypothesis is that the proportions would remain largely similar.

       Violent:  55.5%
      Property:  16.0%
          Drug:  14.1%
  Public Order:  12.3%
0. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37598636

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37605421

2. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/p19.pdf

Re: Call to shut down Bristol schools’ use of app to ‘monitor’ pupils and families

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Can we also have a discussion about the 'normal' behaviour monitoring tools like Classcharts that are used by pretty much every school in the UK? These collect fine-grained data about behaviour throughout the day and link it both to the child but also the people that are near that child. It operates all across the child's school career. I've tried to opt my kids out of this but it's really hard. At best I think they…

This is unfair for me to ask, but what are you doing about it? This impacts you, your children and your peers. Identifying and protecting your own is great, but what are you doing to ensure those not as tech savvy and critically minded are ensnared in this?

People need to push back on this sort of thing - if they don't, it just steamrolls forward.

Re: Call to shut down Bristol schools’ use of app to ‘monitor’ pupils and families

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Wealthier kids have always had and always will have advantages like that. Wealthier kids probably also have their own room and a quiet organized place to do homework. They've probably been encouraged to read and been provided with books and other enrichment opportunities. I think most teachers know who these kids are and and know if they are turning in their own work or not.

I’m not talking about ChatGPT writing an essay for you. ChatGPT is also a pretty good teacher in itself, and can help you learn many topics and subjects by providing direct access to a tutor on most topics. Wikipedia is the only encyclopedia available, more or less. While schools can’t give you a good family or a nice house to study in, they certainly can give you an iPad.

I can't speak for your area of the world, but every even vaguely metro or suburban area of Australia has public libraries with quiet spaces to work/study, free internet and free computers to use if you don't BYO. Most run digital literacy classes, and a number are even starting to do little cost-price cafe setups.

Whilst being wealthy is an advantage, it's certainly not the gap it once was.

Re: Call to shut down Bristol schools’ use of app to ‘monitor’ pupils and families

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Can we also have a discussion about the 'normal' behaviour monitoring tools like Classcharts that are used by pretty much every school in the UK? These collect fine-grained data about behaviour throughout the day and link it both to the child but also the people that are near that child. It operates all across the child's school career. I've tried to opt my kids out of this but it's really hard. At best I think they…

That is no way to raise your child.

Re: Call to shut down Bristol schools’ use of app to ‘monitor’ pupils and families

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Are these government institutions in Bristol? If so do they have public blogs or other citizen friendly mechanics for sharing important decisions?

Yep here's a UK gov report about the data sharing that makes the app possible https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Very neat. Thank you @tempaway22641
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