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Morals have nothing to do with any of this
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No they don't, that's baseless gibberish.
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It’s funny that more birth control is still touted as a possible solution when it has never been more available and the situation has never been worse.
It has been more available. Are you aware a mother just went to prison for procuring her daughter birth control?
Aggregate statistics might be more illuminating than anecdotes.
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It has been more available. Are you aware a mother just went to prison for procuring her daughter birth control?
Aggregate statistics might be more illuminating than anecdotes.
Birth control is currently under attack in the USA. This makes it less accessible to the public.
You stated that birth control is more available now than ever. Aggregate statistics might be more illuminating than not even an anecdote. I’d like to see a source that shows more birth control access in America than there was several years ago.
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Worse for whom? And “love” isn’t even required for marriage. Love marriages are a relatively new innovation.
Worse for everyone involved. Adults in bad marriages do not make for good parents. Children exposed to abusive marriages are predisposed to considering abusive marriages normal, therefore perpetuating the cycle. And the implication that "love" isn't desirable in a marriage because it's a modern idea is laughable. Child mortality rates less than 80% are a relatively new innovation; shall we get rid of those too? Lovin…
>> Adults in bad marriages do not make for good parents. Children exposed to abusive marriages are predisposed to considering abusive marriages normal, therefore perpetuating the cycle.
Do you believe majority of bad marriages are abusive?
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I can't possibly imagine that is accurate, and even if it was that wouldn't be ethically viable anyway.
Personally, I think growing up without the freedom leave a bad relationship would be enough on its own to make the environment qualify as unhealthy.
> Personally, I think growing up without the freedom leave a bad relationship would be enough on its own to make the environment qualify as unhealthy.
The problem is "bad relationship" is a broad and fuzzy concept, often conveniently left undefined or defined selectively to bolster a particular position.
There are definitely situations where divorce is probably good for the kids (e.g. the more extreme ones, like physical abuse). However there are other perhaps more common situations where divorce is on the whole harmful to the kids (e.g. mom and dad just don't have "that spark" for each other anymore).
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Exactly: having to bond with a crazy or abusive parent is what's actually unhealthy, not lacking a parent. Children grow up perfectly fine making bonds with non-parents. (See also the father/mother figure trope.) They may do it even if the parent(s) exist but were not fit for the role. In many countries extended families can help sort this out. It is only a bigger problem if you have a single parent + no extended fam…
Lone parent children can grow up fine. They very often do not. Teachers are part of large state institutions, paid workers. They're not going to finance someone's surgery, rent, or groceries. Offloading this kind of stuff onto the state doesn't work well because the situations aren't legible and the type of support required necessitates a great deal of intimacy on the part of the benefactor and a great deal of vulner…
> Lone parent children can grow up fine. They very often do not.
Children with both parents also very often do not grow up fine if they are in certain socioeconomic divisions. That needs to be eliminated from the equation before any such generalizations.
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could it be that asian devotion for kids is stronger such that even if the marriage is unhappy they will do their best to make sure the kids are ok? western couples are less likely to do that which means that kids there will suffer more especially if their parents are openly fighting, and divorce helps them settle because happier parents makes for happier kids.
“Asian” and “western” describe huge and varied populations with little in common. One refers to a geographic designation, the other to a shared set of cultural norms and economic development. What evidence do you have that “Asian” parents (whomever that refers to) show more devotion to their children? Or that “western” couples show less care? Extended family situations, kids living with grandparents or aunts and uncl…
> What evidence do you have that “Asian” parents (whomever that refers to) show more devotion to their children? Or that “western” couples show less care?
I come from South Asia. It’s my observation that Americans are far less willing to sacrifice their personal happiness and well being for their kids.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Worse for whom? And “love” isn’t even required for marriage. Love marriages are a relatively new innovation.
Worse for everyone involved. Adults in bad marriages do not make for good parents. Children exposed to abusive marriages are predisposed to considering abusive marriages normal, therefore perpetuating the cycle. And the implication that "love" isn't desirable in a marriage because it's a modern idea is laughable. Child mortality rates less than 80% are a relatively new innovation; shall we get rid of those too? Lovin…
> Worse for everyone involved. Adults in bad marriages do not make for good parents.
Statistics show that neither do divorces and single parents.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240051/ (“The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage.”).
> Children exposed to abusive marriages are predisposed to considering abusive marriages normal, therefore perpetuating the cycle.
Abuse used to be a ground for divorce prior to modern no-fault divorce.
> And the implication that "love" isn't desirable in a marriage because it's a modern idea is laughable.
Obviously it’s desirable. But if you take a shot at your love marriage, and then you “fall out of love,” should you be able to inflict the financial and emotional damage of divorce on your kids?
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No they don't, that's baseless gibberish.
Generally, we agree that making sacrifices for the good of others is good morals. High rates of having children out of wedlock, and divorce, are caused in significant part by unwillingness to make the sacrifices that would ensure a stable, financially secure home for children. These days, it’s often because men lack morals and are unwilling to sacrifice personal freedom to enter and stay in marriages, to the detriment of children.
Divorce has tremendous negative consequences on children. The childhood poverty rate for children of married couples is under 7%. For the children of single parents it’s over 37%. A Stanford study found that children of divorce die five years earlier than children of intact families.
See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4240051/ (“The best scientific literature to date suggests that, with the exception of parents faced with unresolvable marital violence, children fare better when parents work at maintaining the marriage.”).