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Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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when I started designing mobile applications in 2009, I was fully convinced they are inept for (keyed) text entry. No one would type more than a few characters on such devices.

Since I found me proven both wrong and right in some sense. Looks we rather sacrificed quality for immediate reaction and enthusiastically do bad text editing and sloppy writing on the go.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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If slide-out keyboards were still a thing they wouldn't be nearly as bad but we had to get rid of those because being thinner is the most important thing in the world

And then because on screen keyboards suck so bad we had to make phones BIGGER which meant they needed to be THINNER which meant cameras needed to stick out, and here we are, in a world where an iPhone Pro Max takes up the full height of my jeans pocket and digs into my hip when I sit down. Yeyyy.

iPhone mini was a thing for a while. It still has the stuck out camera but otherwise only a bit larger than the iPhone 5 from 9 years earlier. I wish they hadn’t ended it on the 13, because I also feel phones are getting too large.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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post #79

1000% agree with this post, wow. I can’t believe this is controversial.. it’s a disaster. I dread opening the mobile version of google docs, sheets, or even Notes for anything more than a grocery list. The problem is the target audience for this is business customers, and particularly those in management, so it’s a small market. ICs aren’t up and down as much between meetings and can largely stick to their desktop se…

> before you say “sounds like you just want a tablet” One of my friends uses a GPD Pocket 3, which is an 8-inch computer that's small enough to fit in your pocket, with a full keyboard, touchpad, and touchscreen that swivels to become a tablet. It's pretty nifty. https://gpd.hk/gpdpocket3

I love the concept... but in that price range, I'm no longer comfortable just carrying it around with me, which partially negates the reason for getting it.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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post #97

The problem is far from invisible (to me at least). A few months ago on HN I used text editing as an example of how iOS wasn't ready for "business" use. I can't find the comment now, but my memory is that I listed several of the issues listed in this post and said something like "Text creation/editing is core to the 'business', non-content-consumer use case. Apple needs to either acknowledge these problems and work t…

> A few months ago on HN I used text editing as an example of how iOS wasn't ready for "business" use. I can't find the comment now

Was it this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36536203>

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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post #234

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Maybe I’m a leet kid but I type 65 WPM on my phone so I find actual typing on my phone on par with typing on desktop, except if special punctuation is involved. …but the whole mobile experience is still terrible with a lot of scrolling, panning, and annoying text selection. I’m aware most people don’t type that fast so they would never type on mobile but for those that do, it would be sweet if the mobile experience w…

Wouldn't typing on a touchscreen for long periods cause RSI much faster than a keyboard in the long term? (because of the body positioning - back, neck - and the hard surface) (not arguing against improving typing on mobile, obviously)

Wouldn’t be surprised.

Truthfully I’m most worried about the thumbs. I feel like they can ache if I’ve been doomscrolling for hours

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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post #175

1000% agree with this post, wow. I can’t believe this is controversial.. it’s a disaster. I dread opening the mobile version of google docs, sheets, or even Notes for anything more than a grocery list. The problem is the target audience for this is business customers, and particularly those in management, so it’s a small market. ICs aren’t up and down as much between meetings and can largely stick to their desktop se…

This is what folding phones are great for. The extra space is great for multitasking, reading spreadsheets, viewing calendars, reading documents, etc. They don't really help with writing or editing text, unless you have big hands and need a larger keyboard. Most of the difficulty with text editing are related to the cursor, as the article points out, and a bigger screen doesn't really help. I suppose the extra real e…

As long as we're looking at hardware that isn't a glass rectangle, the Blackberry was pretty great for text input. So sad hardware keyboards died off.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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post #33

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I'm not saying they are now. I'm saying they will in the future.

I really doubt people are every going to give up big stand-alone monitors. Putting cellphones on big standalone monitors might work. But in that case, we’ll probably also need to attach a pointing device and some way of entering text, so from a UI point of view, we’ve got a desktop. Cellphones definitely have sufficient processing power for lots of typical office workloads nowadays… but using them in this way doesn’t…

I occasionally use DeX. It is fine, if you are needing to read email, browse the web, or do simple word processing, or need a touch interface for drawing. If I'm going to sit down and work for multiple hours, I'd rather be using my desktop applications.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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I completely agree with author's view of the issue. Text editing on iOS and android have always been an afterthought. I mean, how much time did it take for the iPhone to get Copy/Paste ? The weirder part to me was that the iPad didn't bring much improvement on that front. Even with a bigger screen and "desktop class" application, text editing only barely works with a keyboard/touchpad attached. The only improvement h…

I have an iPad that’s about to go out of support and is starting to get some small cracks in a screen corner. Seriously wondering if I should replace it or just take an older, albeit heavier, MacBook for extended travel.

I don’t find myself using it at home much and media consumption on planes isn’t that important to me any longer.

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