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Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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The author made a demo app, surely this could be evolved into a library? I could give an option to users of my app to switch all text inputs to use this instead of the system's default.

I wish there was a way to try that demo on my own device instead of just seeing it in videos

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Nothing on mobile is okay. I know everyone loves their smart phones but they really are terrible computers in every way except for portability. Use a computer when you actually want to do things. Smartphones are just for when you're literally unable to use a real computer.

They are much, much better for photos. I will even say they are better for most videos chats. They are better music players. They are better GPS nav systems.

They are better readers as well. Often reading is followed by some form of writing though and then they are terrible.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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I wonder if the author is aware of the cursor positioning gestures on iOS (hold space, then drag) I’m also not sure that the inline magnifier is such a good idea, he never gives an example with a fat finger overlaid, I think that would immediately show it’s just not feasible. I’m also sure that Apple has dozens of user tests with all type of text editing strategies, Ken Kocienda even wrote a book about his process de…

He probably is aware, Android has the same gesture.

I am aware ;-) It's certainly helpful. My point is that it's not nearly enough. The goal of this post was to make it clear that the entire model of mobile editing is flawed and it's helpful to rethink it. However, I'm all for anything that can help!

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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post #66

Nothing on mobile is okay. I know everyone loves their smart phones but they really are terrible computers in every way except for portability. Use a computer when you actually want to do things. Smartphones are just for when you're literally unable to use a real computer.

They are much, much better for photos. I will even say they are better for most videos chats. They are better music players. They are better GPS nav systems.

Indeed. They are also better (virtual) tape measures, contactless payment devices, crash/fall detectors, emergency rescue summoners, and, yeah, phones.

Turns out different form factors are better at different things.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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I’ve had a growing suspicion for a few years now that the iOS keyboard developers are just taking the piss. Given the level of technical ability displayed in literally every other aspect of the iPhone, there’s no way that the keyboard can be THIS bad and getting worse except on purpose.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about IPhone but on Android its simply impossible to Paste text between two words. You can't paste text into cursor position you can only replace selected text with Pasted text. Thats my main biggest issue. Also, why the fuck there no Copy/Paste buttons on mobile keyboard??

You actually can paste between words but it's hidden (like most things with mobile text editing) You need to place the text cursor between the words carefully, tap the 'teardrop' on the text handle, and that will bring up the menu to paste. (not saying that's good!)

Which is to say you can't as several of those actions are impossible for humans to do with enough accuracy.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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I was slightly surprised by the author’s example experiments. Deleting x from the middle of a word does not sound like a common editing task to me and I think it would be much more common to just select the whole word and retype it. If that means the UI is more optimised for other interactions than deleting letters from the middle of words, I think that’s fine. It seems pretty important to have the tests be realistic…

Deleting an 'x' was MEANT to be hard (and not typical) the whole point was to see how easy it was to target.

As to your "it does seem obvious that people don’t care that much about the text-editing experience" You are exactly the type of person that I'm trying to get through to! As I said in the post, for most social media tasks, text editing isn't a problem. However, if you believe that mobile will replace desktop, then you've got a problem as sophisticated text composition is quite hard on mobile.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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I sometimes wonder if modal editing (like vim uses) might be a good approach for navigating/editing longform text on touch devices. It does seem like a missed opportunity to have taken the keyboard/mouse approach and then transferred it to touch devices. Even the keyboard layout has no real advantage for two thumb typing on a screen. Approaches that adapt the interface whilst leaning heavily on letter based inference…

On an iPhone if you hold the space bar down the whole keyboard becomes a kind of trackpad which you can use to move the cursor.

Since all the keys disappear, it doesn’t seem like a stretch to add something that works like mouse buttons so you could select text or paste in a specific spot in that “mode”.

Right now it’s so frustrating to do any kind of selecting.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Is there a way I can download and run the demo on my own phone? It looks interesting but there seems to be no download links

I'm the author. As the code is owned by Google, I'm a bit constrained in sharing it. I've got permission to talk about the work and show it, but that's about it.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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1000% agree with this post, wow. I can’t believe this is controversial.. it’s a disaster. I dread opening the mobile version of google docs, sheets, or even Notes for anything more than a grocery list. The problem is the target audience for this is business customers, and particularly those in management, so it’s a small market. ICs aren’t up and down as much between meetings and can largely stick to their desktop se…

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