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Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#71
Step back. Text /input/ on mobile isn't okay. It's a copy (for the most part) of desktop editors as well. There have been a few changes, such as dragging your finger around. A few keyboards have tried (and largely failed) to introduce new, mobile-first keyboards. It doesn't stick.

I have used a number of non-qwerty/typewriter style mobile keyboards. I have landed on MessagEase, but really loved a few others. Thankfully MessagEase still works, most died somewhere in the mid 10s.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently bought a PineTab2. Its a pretty rough around the edges experience (hardware is fine, but Plasma Mobile is still lacking compared to Android) BUT with the case with a keyboard it is far better for writing anything. Not as good as my desktop, but a lot better than most mobile devices. I usually use Whatsapp web and the Signal desktop app at my desktop when I want to write more than sentence or two. A physica…

Yearly reminder that Nokia perfected the slideout keyboard on their N900 model over 10 years ago

Also there was an actual linux distribution in it, Maemo. You could do things with it.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#75
While all the same issues highlighted in this post still apply the WYSIWYG editor I'm using in my project, this has been my side project take on rapidly iterating on blog posts from my mobile phone:

https://youtu.be/Y36rUWeVnMM?si=yqwrOAanvSJ0fOEt

It lets you combine speech to text and markdown editing.

Partly for fun and practice and partly because it helps me to quickly commence new posts and either iterate on the go or return to the open PR when I'm back at my laptop.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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When my wife was super pregnant and overdue, friends were consistently asking for updates. I made a website called "is stillpregnant.com" and put a very very minimal website there. It was literally just route53 and cloudfront in front of an S3 bucket. But that meant I needed to make updates from the hospital with my phone. I mean yes there were probably better options but I was a bit busy at the time to think of them…

This is the kind of stuff you read on 4chan as memes about orange site. While going through all that you decided to create a website of all things and update it by hand editing html. Normal people, and I hate saying that, would create a facebook/WhatsApp group or something like that. I'm not making fun of you or anything, not everyone has the same lives, I'm just amazed by the hn crowd.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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My biggest problem in editing on mobile is changing a text selection (for example a long URL or long text paragraphs) that don't fit on screen at once. Once I have to scroll (vertically or, even worse, horizontally) in addition to moving the selection handles the UX is just terrible.

I don't know about IPhone but on Android its simply impossible to Paste text between two words. You can't paste text into cursor position you can only replace selected text with Pasted text. Thats my main biggest issue. Also, why the fuck there no Copy/Paste buttons on mobile keyboard??

You actually can paste between words but it's hidden (like most things with mobile text editing) You need to place the text cursor between the words carefully, tap the 'teardrop' on the text handle, and that will bring up the menu to paste. (not saying that's good!)

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#78

With the magnifier no longer being offset - does your finger now not completely cover it? Definitely does raise some good points though - it’s so difficult to get to the select all button on iOS when you actually need it

On current Android, you can drag the cursor directly without seeing the teardrop, so your finger is directly over the cursor, requiring the magnifier to see what you are doing

With the demo shown here, you always tap on the teardrop, below the magnifier, so the magnification is more to help you see rather than show you what's under your finger

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#79

1000% agree with this post, wow. I can’t believe this is controversial.. it’s a disaster. I dread opening the mobile version of google docs, sheets, or even Notes for anything more than a grocery list. The problem is the target audience for this is business customers, and particularly those in management, so it’s a small market. ICs aren’t up and down as much between meetings and can largely stick to their desktop se…

> before you say “sounds like you just want a tablet”

One of my friends uses a GPD Pocket 3, which is an 8-inch computer that's small enough to fit in your pocket, with a full keyboard, touchpad, and touchscreen that swivels to become a tablet. It's pretty nifty. https://gpd.hk/gpdpocket3

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#80

Blackberry 10 had really nice text selection for their phones with physical keyboards. The keyboard itself doubled as a touchpad so one was able to double tap the physical keyboard anywhere in a text box to bring up a loupe and hold the virtual shift Shift key + drag one's fingers along the surface of the keyboard left/right/up/down to highlight text (dragging the selection handles via the screen was also possible bu…

That seems like a simple idea to test in a keyboard (well the loupe might be hard) but moving the cursor and using SHIFT to select are fairly easy. Who's working on an Android keyboard here? ;-)
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