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Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#21
Wholeheartedly agree with the author but don't think he's radical enough about solutions.

Thumb-key takes a radical approach, and I've watched someone who has become comptetent at it (which i haven't) type elegantly on it.

https://github.com/dessalines/thumb-key

But I always wonder why noone has tried building a hardware chord keyboard for a phone. It seems perfectly suited.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#22
Blackberry 10 had really nice text selection for their phones with physical keyboards. The keyboard itself doubled as a touchpad so one was able to double tap the physical keyboard anywhere in a text box to bring up a loupe and hold the virtual shift Shift key + drag one's fingers along the surface of the keyboard left/right/up/down to highlight text (dragging the selection handles via the screen was also possible but the keyboard method was faster).

It made intuitive sense coming from a desktop environment and didn't suffer from having one's fingers obscuring the caret or handles.

I still miss this method of highlighting text in Android.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#25

I sometimes wonder if modal editing (like vim uses) might be a good approach for navigating/editing longform text on touch devices. It does seem like a missed opportunity to have taken the keyboard/mouse approach and then transferred it to touch devices. Even the keyboard layout has no real advantage for two thumb typing on a screen. Approaches that adapt the interface whilst leaning heavily on letter based inference…

modal editing is just too much overhead for the average smart phone user.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#26
Two Suggestions:

1) I use the arrows in my keyboard to move the cursor. (Or letters in vi) Consider four new buttons to be able to move around once the cursor is active.

2) Love this concept. Editing this very post is too hard. This is a big change. Put together the progressive UI that adopts these changes over time. Do the research on user adoption and least impact. Move this from idealist end state, to practical sequence of steps to get there.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#27
There was a company, Tactus, who developed a touch screen that had little physical bumps pop out of the screen to represent your keyboard. I’ve always wondered why it never caught on, but I’m sure the technology came with a host compromises. Anyhow, it always seemed like a neat idea. Perhaps it would even allow for a denser button arrangement, giving users their arrow keys back.

In other news, I typed this on my phone, having to edit parts of it, and failing to simply drag my cursor to the end!

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#28

I sometimes wonder if modal editing (like vim uses) might be a good approach for navigating/editing longform text on touch devices. It does seem like a missed opportunity to have taken the keyboard/mouse approach and then transferred it to touch devices. Even the keyboard layout has no real advantage for two thumb typing on a screen. Approaches that adapt the interface whilst leaning heavily on letter based inference…

modal editing is just too much overhead for the average smart phone user.

There's tons of professional writers though, not to mention business users, lawyers, and other professionals that do lots of writing. It's pretty obvious that desktops are going the way of the dodo, and the aforementioned users need to write lots of text on mobile devices. I don't think modal text entry is any more onerous to learn than a graphic artist learning Blender or Photoshop, or an engineer learning Solidworks.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#29
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the text editing process is baked in the base UI classes on Android (TextView), you cannot change it with an app. OEM manufacturers sometimes do because they ship different class code with their OS.

But the author works at Google, so can surely pass the message on up the chain that this design decision is stifling innovation in touch-based text editing?

It’s a big company, so unless you can make a nice project to be promoted, it doesn’t get in the list of priorities

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

#30
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

modal editing is just too much overhead for the average smart phone user.

There's tons of professional writers though, not to mention business users, lawyers, and other professionals that do lots of writing. It's pretty obvious that desktops are going the way of the dodo, and the aforementioned users need to write lots of text on mobile devices. I don't think modal text entry is any more onerous to learn than a graphic artist learning Blender or Photoshop, or an engineer learning Solidwork…

There may be fewer desktops, but laptops work the same way and they don't seem to be going away any time soon. I'm not aware of "tons of professional writers, lawyers, and other professionals that do lots of writing" who spend most of their writing time on the type of mobile devices described in this article.
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