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The Frustration Loop

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #55

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> They even had me send a selfie of myself So they could compare it with what, the content posted?

I think they just wanted to see that I was a real human. They had me hold up a sign with a code written on it. The only thing I thought of was that they might compare it to my profile pic? But it makes little sense as many people have something abstract as their PFP, or a photo of their cat.

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #55

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> They even had me send a selfie of myself So they could compare it with what, the content posted?

I think they just wanted to see that I was a real human. They had me hold up a sign with a code written on it. The only thing I thought of was that they might compare it to my profile pic? But it makes little sense as many people have something abstract as their PFP, or a photo of their cat.

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #55

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> They even had me send a selfie of myself So they could compare it with what, the content posted?

I think they just wanted to see that I was a real human. They had me hold up a sign with a code written on it. The only thing I thought of was that they might compare it to my profile pic? But it makes little sense as many people have something abstract as their PFP, or a photo of their cat.

Nice try. What stops anyone from going to Madame Tussauds and posting a selfie of Frank Sinatra holding up a code? Or paying a street performer to do it. Because that would be my first thought, how to screw these sociopaths.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #96
post #79

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Well, here is the thing: maybe a troll can use the idea that a comments on a government official's account is a public forum and demand that the third party remove the troll flag, or demand that the troll flag be ignored for government accounts. > U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald in Manhattan ruled on May 23 that comments on the president's account, and those of other government officials, were public forums…

Surely the solution then is to block government officials from the platform. Bad for engagement but keeps your "no, really, this is a private forum" status. (Rather like how lots of non-US banks block US nationals from having an account even if they're resident in the bank's country, because of the paperwork overhead)

You'd be probably slapped with a law banning exactly that, which I'm surprised if it doesn't already exist.

It's not the same thing as a bank in another country refusing to open an account to an average Joe because of too many hurdles involved with reporting your balance the the IRS.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #59

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Twitter/X bans people outright. Surely that's a bigger issue for communication than lag.

It isn't. When you're banned, you know you're banned. Thus, you know you can't expect to use your account for communication anymore. When you're shadow-banned, you don't know you are shadow-banned, and will continue to attempt using your account for communication, and believe it's the other people who are just ignoring you.

What type of shadow ban are you talking about? Are you talking about being unable to post (e.g. The Frustration Loop) or about other people being unable to see your posts? Then yes, I agree that's worse than being banned. But if we're talking about a 10-60s lag (as I mentioned in my comment and the previous posters were talking about), I say that's better than being banned, because communication can still take place.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Yeah, but in the long run (or very soon), you might have to use grammar misstakes as a captcha, to seperate bots from humans.

> misstakes > seperate I see what you did there. Please never implement that idea though, it would be like the opposite of https://xkcd.com/810 .

I am pretty sure, it is already in use.

But of course it would be trivial to modify the llm output, to include random misstakes, if this ever would become a standard way of dealing with bots.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Leave noteworthy comments on other peoples videos, make noteworthy stitches of theirs. Embrace remix culture, essentially. It only seems like an intractable problem to non power users of social media.

What if those videos also receive no views? Serious question, I don't know how Tiktok works well enough to intuit.

If those videos receive no views, then it means the concept of the stitch wasn't compelling. Practically speaking -- just do it over and over again until you find something that does work.

Some people have a knack for making content that goes viral, but for most folks, it's a muscle that needs to be learned through lots of practice, with a lot of early going seemingly bearing little fruit until the inflection point is reached.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Leave noteworthy comments on other peoples videos, make noteworthy stitches of theirs. Embrace remix culture, essentially. It only seems like an intractable problem to non power users of social media.

What if those videos also receive no views? Serious question, I don't know how Tiktok works well enough to intuit.

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #115

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idk if some of those things are "shadowbanning" per se but more like limiting reach and promotion. there's the confusion (unaware or intentional) between 'getting actually shadowbanned, as in, your posts actually do not appear to anyone else but you' and 'not getting free promo, free algo boost, free views from the platform, if it either doesn't choose to promote you, or chooses to not promote you' (these two are sub…

That's what I mean by different levels of shadowbanning. "Well, the algorithm just isn't promoting you, that's not the same thing." The algorithm is sorting a feed containing millions of posts. There is no mathematical difference between a penalty and the removal of a bonus that similarly situated accounts get. They both cause your posts to be not seen by people who would otherwise have seen it. You can easily be blo…

how is something that _isn't_ shadowbanning, somehow a "level" of "shadowbanning"?

no, a platform not promoting posts, and a platform hiding posts and making them not visible to anyone else at all, are not the same thing.

see, it's going as far with complaints about "shadowbanning" as to say "well maaaybe 5% might see it - But it's still a shadowban!" - that's the part that makes the complaints sound like bullshit that they are

Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #149

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That's what I mean by different levels of shadowbanning. "Well, the algorithm just isn't promoting you, that's not the same thing." The algorithm is sorting a feed containing millions of posts. There is no mathematical difference between a penalty and the removal of a bonus that similarly situated accounts get. They both cause your posts to be not seen by people who would otherwise have seen it. You can easily be blo…

how is something that _isn't_ shadowbanning, somehow a "level" of "shadowbanning"? no, a platform not promoting posts, and a platform hiding posts and making them not visible to anyone else at all, are not the same thing. see, it's going as far with complaints about "shadowbanning" as to say "well maaaybe 5% might see it - But it's still a shadowban!" - that's the part that makes the complaints sound like bullshit th…

> how is something that _isn't_ shadowbanning, somehow a "level" of "shadowbanning"?

How is it not shadowbanning? They're not showing your posts to people they would otherwise show your posts to because of an opaque penalty tag on your account. This can obviously be done to varying degrees ranging from not putting your posts in anyone else's feed, to not showing your replies even when viewing the post it's a direct reply to, to not notifying the person you replied to that they have a new reply because it was you who posted it.

These are all forms of shadowbanning. Meanwhile a given post might still be visible via some other means even when they're being applied.

> no, a platform not promoting posts, and a platform hiding posts and making them not visible to anyone else at all, are not the same thing.

This is a kind of pedantic reasoning where if you hide a post from very nearly everyone you want to call it something else because "very nearly everyone" and "everyone" theoretically isn't the same thing even if it's practically the same thing. It's like saying well, you know, technically we didn't remove you from the search results, we just put you on page 50384.

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