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The Frustration Loop

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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Spam filter idea: posts with bad interpunction are likely content-free angry ramblings!

Yeah, but in the long run (or very soon), you might have to use grammar misstakes as a captcha, to seperate bots from humans.

> misstakes > seperate

I see what you did there.

Please never implement that idea though, it would be like the opposite of https://xkcd.com/810.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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I came up with a simple way to eliminate spam in my email, without any third party filtering. I have my own domain name for email. My email box accepts anything that goes the domain. I.e. a catchall email account. However, I give a different email address to every site and service. I.e. sitea@mydomain.com, site2@mydomain.com This lets my email reliably get auto sorted by who its from. But I also use a consistent form…

You can do something similar with Gmail - if your email is matt@gmail.com you can receive to Matt+1@gmail.com, matt+2 etc. Although some websites reject this format.

Gmail does not see "." as contributing to uniqueness of the addressee name. So for instance a missing "." expected in "matt.smith@" is a reliable flag for rejection.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #8

Spam teams at social networks typically shadow-ban spammers. The goal of this is to make it as difficult as possible for the spammer to determine that they've been caught (which is why I think the frustration techniques, or simply account suspension aren't widely used). The field of spam-prevention is fascinating because it's essentially an arms race between companies deploying tactics to detect spam and sophisticate…

The problem is real humans getting snared. My TikTok account is shadowbanned (anything I post now gets zero views, and my LIVE gets zero viewers). And my Instagram account got permabanned because they said I was impersonating myself. This was worse because I lost the entire account. They even had me send a selfie of myself and the instant I submitted the image was when they did the permaban lol.

The harsh truth is that the occasional false positive doesn't affect their bottom line even slightly. Unless a false positive is some social engineering genius that can stir up a shitstorm of bad PR, they can be silently ignored forever.

You're the sacrifice that they're willing to make to build their social media, and if you don't think it's fair... no one cares.

Even if this somehow offends people, those people will never notice that it actually happened.

Probably, this means that sane people should want the government to regulate at least those services considered essential to life to require appeals systems. Not TikTok, but I've heard of people losing access to Amazon forever. There are people for whom Amazon is essential, there are no local alternatives. And if the people wrongly permabanned from it ever overlap with those who can hardly live without it, then we have a big problem.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #58

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Spam and trolling even happens on a physical newspapers/radio/tv/books/magazines. Its just that you have to pay to do it. The rich/ceremonial/leisure classes have through out history been constantly spamming everyone with whatever shit occurs to their 3 inch brains, because they can afford to buy the largest amount of attention. To bad there is not enough attention for anything anymore cause production of content is…

Spam filter idea: posts with bad interpunction are likely content-free angry ramblings!

> Spam filter idea: posts with bad interpunction are likely content-free angry ramblings!

... or written by non-native speakers.

Re: The Frustration Loop

#135
Instagram has a frustration loop. I know that, because it is triggered on my account: for every action I take, no matter how minor, it makes me log in again. Every link I click, everything I do, I get to make a detour through the login screen.

It started with "suspicious activity detected on your account", followed by "your account has been disabled", and while it won't state the actual reason for this, the only realistic reason listed in their official rules would be that I posted something that offended someone.

There is one problem with this explanation though: I never posted _anything_. I follow a few people, that's all I do on instagram. So I filled in codes, sent them photos of myself, and eventually received access to the account again - but now it makes me log in again for absolutely everything I do. I can't believe they would do this by accident, or that it would be a bug. Clearly they identified me as a miscreant, and while they couldn't get enough evidence for an execution, they can sure as hell punish me for whatever misdeeds they imagine I committed.

I suspect what caused the problem was that occasionally you come across links to pictures on instagram. Apparently following those is suspicious enough that it warrants triggering a frustration-experience. Of course, being part of Meta also means that if they decide to shut down my instagram for good, I'll also lose access to my Facebook account, which I use to communicate with a few faraway friends.

Of course the world moved on from Facebook, and everybody is now on Instagram. I suppose I would be as well - if only it let me...

Re: The Frustration Loop

#136
post #128

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There used to be i.reddit.com for the old mobile UI but they shut it down

I built a custom stylesheet which makes old reddit mobile friendly (basically to look like an app). I'll throw it up if anyone is interested, I was going to build a webview app which just uses old reddit to provide an app-like experience.

I'm interested!

Re: The Frustration Loop

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post #55

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The problem is real humans getting snared. My TikTok account is shadowbanned (anything I post now gets zero views, and my LIVE gets zero viewers). And my Instagram account got permabanned because they said I was impersonating myself. This was worse because I lost the entire account. They even had me send a selfie of myself and the instant I submitted the image was when they did the permaban lol.

> They even had me send a selfie of myself So they could compare it with what, the content posted?

I think they just wanted to see that I was a real human. They had me hold up a sign with a code written on it. The only thing I thought of was that they might compare it to my profile pic? But it makes little sense as many people have something abstract as their PFP, or a photo of their cat.

Re: The Frustration Loop

#138

I came up with a simple way to eliminate spam in my email, without any third party filtering. I have my own domain name for email. My email box accepts anything that goes the domain. I.e. a catchall email account. However, I give a different email address to every site and service. I.e. sitea@mydomain.com, site2@mydomain.com This lets my email reliably get auto sorted by who its from. But I also use a consistent form…

I did this but a nerd sniped myself. I had out addresses like {name}-{hmac}@me.example. These addresses then bypass the spam filter and if they start spamming me I block them.

The problem is that I still need a general address for my website, resume, HN profile, Git author info... So I still accept mail to a handful of publicly available addresses. However it does let me play with the spam rules a bit more. Signed: auto-accept, known address: moderate spam filter, unknown address: heavy spam filter.

Re: The Frustration Loop

#139
post #55

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> They even had me send a selfie of myself So they could compare it with what, the content posted?

They want to collect name:face mappings. I've had the same issue with IG but haven't got around to posting the selfie.

DO NOT post the selfie. It is a trap.

Read my suggestions here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37254898

Re: The Frustration Loop

#140
post #24

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The problem is real humans getting snared. My TikTok account is shadowbanned (anything I post now gets zero views, and my LIVE gets zero viewers). And my Instagram account got permabanned because they said I was impersonating myself. This was worse because I lost the entire account. They even had me send a selfie of myself and the instant I submitted the image was when they did the permaban lol.

I don't mean to cause offense, but maybe you haven't built a following yet? I see plenty of Lives with 0 viewers.

No, on a regular account TikTok's algorithm will always send a few dozen viewers to any new video or any LIVE just to get feedback from users (e.g. playtime, likes, faves, shares etc).

I have an old account with almost 4000 followers.

TikTok just woke up one day and hated me. Hopefully it has a timeout on it.

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