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The Frustration Loop

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by [deleted] »

tareqak wrote: post #49
kareemm wrote: post #3

This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006. Newsvine had comments and upvotes and link submissions and posts - it was very reddit-esque except it was focused around the news. The team had to have a way to deal with spammers and trolls. They found the most effective way was to flag a user as a troll on the New…

How would this work for something like Twitter/X when accounting for individuals serving the US government? Someone could be flagged as a troll on the backend for unrelated reasons, but now their experience in communicating with someone in government is delayed. I understand that a delay is not the same thing as a block, but I wonder if the damage to the user’s experience is sufficiently similar for a federal judge.

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Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by thomastjeffery »

a_e_k wrote: post #40
kareemm wrote: post #3

This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006. Newsvine had comments and upvotes and link submissions and posts - it was very reddit-esque except it was focused around the news. The team had to have a way to deal with spammers and trolls. They found the most effective way was to flag a user as a troll on the New…

By that standard, I think that the new Reddit mobile UI must consider everyone a troll.

Everyone who doesn't just replace www with old

Re: The Frustration Loop

#53

Post by edg5000 »

How about disabling robot crawling on all blogs by default (and adding nofollow, as you mentioned). Then, manual moderation will allow people to earn to have their blog allowed for crawlers.

To make this clear to users, when posting content, the following is displayed: "Note: This content will not be indexed by search engines unless it has passed our manual review process."

Re: The Frustration Loop

#54

Post by petre »

tareqak wrote: post #49
kareemm wrote: post #3

This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006. Newsvine had comments and upvotes and link submissions and posts - it was very reddit-esque except it was focused around the news. The team had to have a way to deal with spammers and trolls. They found the most effective way was to flag a user as a troll on the New…

How would this work for something like Twitter/X when accounting for individuals serving the US government? Someone could be flagged as a troll on the backend for unrelated reasons, but now their experience in communicating with someone in government is delayed. I understand that a delay is not the same thing as a block, but I wonder if the damage to the user’s experience is sufficiently similar for a federal judge.

Don't use Twitter for government comms I guess? It's a private system with its own rules. They can degrade the experience as much as they like if the system flags one as a troll, regardless of their being part of an organization.

Re: The Frustration Loop

#55

Post by petre »

qingcharles wrote: post #23
austinl wrote: post #8

Spam teams at social networks typically shadow-ban spammers. The goal of this is to make it as difficult as possible for the spammer to determine that they've been caught (which is why I think the frustration techniques, or simply account suspension aren't widely used). The field of spam-prevention is fascinating because it's essentially an arms race between companies deploying tactics to detect spam and sophisticate…

The problem is real humans getting snared. My TikTok account is shadowbanned (anything I post now gets zero views, and my LIVE gets zero viewers). And my Instagram account got permabanned because they said I was impersonating myself. This was worse because I lost the entire account. They even had me send a selfie of myself and the instant I submitted the image was when they did the permaban lol.

> They even had me send a selfie of myself

So they could compare it with what, the content posted?

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by petre »

edg5000 wrote: post #53

How about disabling robot crawling on all blogs by default (and adding nofollow, as you mentioned). Then, manual moderation will allow people to earn to have their blog allowed for crawlers. To make this clear to users, when posting content, the following is displayed: "Note: This content will not be indexed by search engines unless it has passed our manual review process."

Manual moderation is hard and takes a toll on the moderators. That's why companies like Meta outsource moderation and only moderate flagged content.

Instead have them apply and pay for a review, thus monetizing the service?

Re: The Frustration Loop

#57

Post by jonny_eh »

jaggederest wrote: post #47
willdr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean to cause offense, but maybe you haven't built a following yet? I see plenty of Lives with 0 viewers.

Just out of curiosity, how would you build a following if none of your videos ever receives any views? I'm not someone who uses the tikity tok but it seems like an intractable problem.

Share your videos as a response to a comment on HN.

Re: The Frustration Loop

#58

Post by ksey3 »

kareemm wrote: post #3

This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006. Newsvine had comments and upvotes and link submissions and posts - it was very reddit-esque except it was focused around the news. The team had to have a way to deal with spammers and trolls. They found the most effective way was to flag a user as a troll on the New…

Spam and trolling even happens on a physical newspapers/radio/tv/books/magazines. Its just that you have to pay to do it.

The rich/ceremonial/leisure classes have through out history been constantly spamming everyone with whatever shit occurs to their 3 inch brains, because they can afford to buy the largest amount of attention.

To bad there is not enough attention for anything anymore cause production of content is happening at volumes that dwarf Consumption of content.

If 99% of comments and links on HN are not read by anyone, do you think the great geniuses who run HN will tell you that? Whats the use of such systems no one asks. They want to just keep it alive like some dumb engineers in the control room of Jurassic Park after the children are lost and the T Rex is loose.

The platforms, without knowing what the fuck they are building, have made it Free for everyone to Broadcast. So its now not just the rich who are spamming and trolling. Its everyone. For free. All you get is noise. Read the UN Report on the Attention Economy.

One dimensional software engineers now have capability to build and scale systems quickly. Thats the only reason we have these dumb fucking mindless systems wasting everyones time and energy.

Re: The Frustration Loop

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Post by Thorrez »

tareqak wrote: post #49
kareemm wrote: post #3

This reminds me of one of my former ESPN co-workers - Mike Davidson[1] - who founded of one of the first community news sites (Newsvine[2]) back in 2006. Newsvine had comments and upvotes and link submissions and posts - it was very reddit-esque except it was focused around the news. The team had to have a way to deal with spammers and trolls. They found the most effective way was to flag a user as a troll on the New…

How would this work for something like Twitter/X when accounting for individuals serving the US government? Someone could be flagged as a troll on the backend for unrelated reasons, but now their experience in communicating with someone in government is delayed. I understand that a delay is not the same thing as a block, but I wonder if the damage to the user’s experience is sufficiently similar for a federal judge.

Twitter/X bans people outright. Surely that's a bigger issue for communication than lag.
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