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Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

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Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#11
Why are people (or maybe it's AI, ha!) writing hit pieces about a non-profit who attempts to make classical works widely and freely available? Not sure who/what "quartz" is but it's giving off major writing-for-hire vibes. Likely there is not a single member of SAG who cares what Project Gutenberg does.

Maybe this is another union ploy, similar to the Netflix hit pieces a month ago about the ML job.

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#12
By the end of the decade, end of next decade tops, text to speech will be a solved problem, anyone who thinks otherwise hasn’t been paying attention.

It suck for voice actors. If they’re lucky the top percent of them might retain a job due to the novelty or branding of their voice, but most will be unemployed.

edit: erroneously said dictation (which also will be solved :p)

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#13

I believe the human voice-actors are justified within this context. No comment on anything else but how does a “free market” come into play with this? It seems consumers should be able to choose between an AI narrated and human narrated audio book - given equal access to both. I personally am not a big fan of AI but playing devil’s advocate to a degree it seems AI narrated books may be useful for translating works in…

It's important to note that no artist would have done that because the economics for it weren't there, or some would already have picked up the work.

This isn't a zero sum game.

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#14
It’s a non-profit, open source venture with negligible revenue doing the best it can to open up reading to people of all colors and stripes. What a stupid fight to pick.

If you want to complain, complain about the Bezos-owned WaPo adding machine-generated audio versions of all their stories (linked prominently under the headline) and pushing them for a podcast-like experience (terrible quality generated audio, might I add, having clicked on it yesterday by accident while scrolling and couldn’t figure out how to stop it until I just killed the app).

Unlike Project Gutenberg, WaPo and NYT used to hire narrators for their popular stories or bleeding headlines. That is revenue and jobs that might actually be erased.

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#15

A well read audiobook by a professional is a joy. AI read audiobooks are unlistenable. I’d argue that no one should be getting AI to read audiobooks it’s a terrible experience.

Have You tried listening to the new Microsoft / Project Gutenberg audio books?

I find 2 faults with them:

1% of the time I can tell it's a robovoice narrating the MS/PG audiobooks, and

When the book switches back and forth between multiple speakers in a conversation, the MS/PG audio book fail to change voices enough.

I have spent a week downloading most of them, and will continue to leech until I have to whole 1.25 TB collection with a back-up copy.

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#16
> What the reading does lack is the versatility and depth that human actors bring to the same work. It’s a far cry from, say, Stephen Fry, who created a unique voice for dozens of characters while reading the Harry Potter audiobooks. But Project Gutenberg’s audiobooks are free, the process is quick, and the text-to-speech system used is scalable.

You loved cheap tasteless hydroponic tomatoes? You'll love cheap bland voice-acting.

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#17
I just listened to the beginning of one of these books.

The book text starts out "I." as in, roman numeral for chapter 1. The audio book read this as "eye" (or "I", but not 1).

Then the third sentence in the text says "1793-05". The audio was "1793 to 2005". Actually it was 1793 to 1805.

I listened to a few more sentences and had an idea of the state of it currently. The tech has advanced in the past few years, still has a way to go. Insofar as striking actors, they probably should be worried about what the big companies are up to.

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#18

Listening to an audiobook narrated by an AI voice can get old after a few hours. There is absolutely still hope for traditional voice narration, especially if different voice actors want to voice different characters in the story.

This is step 1. Bark already has some models which try to match the tone to what's written. We'll get there.

Why do we need to get there? What’s the end goal?

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#19
This is called progress. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but in a few years the trend is to have all readers replaced by AI once technology will make their voice credible, then all singers will face the same fate. I'm sorry, but in a few decades, possibly years, all movies and music will contain more and more AI generated content with fake actors and artists who never existed whose fame has been carefully planned on social media. Few will complain: "so what? We can still act or make music for fun"; then one day we'll see virtual politicians controlled by the same small oligarchy of very wealthy people, with the difference that a virtual politician could be taken out and swapped to another one constructed to appeal the right target just by filling a prompt.

Re: Project Gutenberg has implemented one of the worst AI fears of striking actors

#20
Missing from this article: any quotes from striking actors or union organizers actually saying that they oppose Project Gutenberg's efforts specifically.

AI is one part of why actors are striking, and their fears are pretty directed at studios and employers. In particular they're worried about contract clauses that grant studios perpetual rights to use their likenesses and voices to train AIs that studios hope will replace them. It is a convenient narrative to phrase that as if they are opposed to AI entirely or that they are opposed to accessibility or voice-over technology. In reality even if actors were fully embracing AI-generated content, the terms being proposed by studios for ownership over training data and unlimited monopolization of actor voices and performances would still be egregious.

There have been conflicts about text-to-speech efforts in ebooks before, but it's not clear to me that the majority of actors have any problem with stilted, lifeless text-to-speech designed by a nonprofit to increase ebook accessibility.

And maybe actors will be furious at Gutenberg, I don't know. But that's the point, a good way of figuring out whether or not striking actors are mad at Gutenberg would be to talk to them directly, which this article doesn't do. What I'm saying is, in the middle of a highly public strike, be careful of uncritically accepting the word of writers who are not part of that strike when they tell you what the strike is about and what the people striking believe and want.

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