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Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by solardev »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #79
solardev wrote: post #74

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Maybe if you look them up, but I bet the average person has no idea what Lenovo, Asus, Volvo, Nintendo, Samsung, and IKEA mean. Even more modern company names are kinda like that... Anker, DJI, Haier, Dalian Wanda, Kagi, Vercel, Nexon, Plex, Splunk, Zyxel, Sonos, Zynga, Hulu, Etsy, Yandex... Maybe if they just used a better random name generator with a better appreciation for English phonemes, we'd never know the dif…

> Anker, DJI, Haier, Dalian Wanda These all started as the equivalent of Amazon brands and went legit after getting a reputation for relative quality. Anker especially

Not Dalian Wanda, I don't think? They started in Chinese real estate and now own much of Hollywood

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Group

Edit: Actually, I don't think DJI and Haier were Amazon brands either. DJI was bootstrapped by a college kid's family after transitioning from selling electronic parts. Haier was in SE Asia before the US.

Anker was though. Along with Aukey, RavPower, Mpow... some of those were eventually kicked off though, I think.

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by Rebelgecko »

heywhatupboys wrote: post #33
granshaw wrote: post #31

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Seriously why don’t these Chinese companies hire someone for 30mins to come up with a more reputable sounding name?

Not everything caters to the American sensibilities. Different cultures regard different things as professional.

Who are they catering to? 99% of these companies are reselling the same crap you see on Aliexpress, so I can't imagine they bother to use the same branding domestically

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by dustincoates »

sampa wrote: post #43

I miss HTC (yeah, they're not dead officially, yet). From making ODM PDAs/phones for Dell/Compaq/HP/Google to becoming one of the top smartphone makers and playing with VR/beats headphones and into oblivion. Hope somebody writes a book about them.

To this day, the G1/HTC Dream is my favorite phone I've ever had. Each phone since then has been more or less a utilitarian upgrade, but that one was just fun. I loved popping out the slide out keyboard with that satisfying click.

(It could have also been a reflection of where I was in life. I was firmly in my fun years, moved cities twice, and met my wife with that phone. I wonder if there are going to be people in the future similarly nostalgic for, I don't know, the Samsung Galaxy A9 because it's what they took to college.)

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by justsomehnguy »

frandroid wrote: post #77
solardev wrote: post #65

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Is it really that different from Nokia, Nintendo, Siemens, Lenovo, Asus, Samsung, Ikea, Ferrari, Volvo, etc.? None of those sound reputable by themselves, they had to build up a reputation. Hell, I'd probably buy a Zolimo Barbertron just FOR the name!

Not to mention GOOGLE Back in 2000/1, I had such trouble taking them seriously, with that name and that colourful logo, I was like, whuuuut? But then I started using it and obviously it was miles ahead of everything else. That taught me a good lesson on whether you need a clever brand name or not. The product makes the brand name, not the other way around.

It took me some time to convince myself (and a visit to Wikipedia) to tread Kioxia as a proper brand.

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by nebula8804 »

causi wrote: post #51
Lord-Jobo wrote: post #8

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A few were, definitely. LG stands out as the biggest innovator to leave the market. Less competition in the android market is a problem, in my view. Most people's interests are covered between Pixel and Samsung, true. But what happens when google gets greedy and decides to lock the Pixel bootloader? Where the hell will people who want a privacy oriented phone go? stuck with pinephone or fairphone? Even Samsung has be…

Not to mention picking a Pixel phone has always meant making hardware choices you may or may not find acceptable. It used to mean being stuck with a muddy POLED display and bizarre hardware issues that crop up four months in. Now it means a Tensor chip that consistently underperforms its Snapdragon counterpart and whose poor Mali drivers essentially keep you from any kind of serious game emulation. The smartphone mar…

Interesting to see Google is still up to their old nonsense. I bought every Nexus phone but the Nexus 5 failed me really badly in my first overseas trip. Battery was constantly draining doing nothing, terrible bugs with the GPS module and right before I left I updated my non rooted stock OS to the latest version only to discover the hard way that they introduced a bug that completely broke video recording. I only discovered when I came back home and all my videos were filled with muddled audio. Ruined multiple priceless moments.

I had a friend on that trip have a perfectly working iPhone 5 throughout the trip and it finally got me to bite the bullet and try an iPhone. That led to me trying out a Mac and now I am completely in the Apple ecosystem after 15+ years of switching back and forth between Windows and Linux and probably never looking back. So thanks Google, you got me to abandon not only Android but also Windows/Linux. Hell after the LG Nexus 5 mess, I also avoid LG from now on.

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by mcphage »

fragmede wrote: post #61
mcphage wrote: post #58

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Yeah, good point. Some cultures don't have... uh... names? Hmm.

Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Names * In particular, check out numbers 5, 20, 29, 32-36, and very specifically, number 40, should interest you. (See 24-27 if you take umbrage at the applicability of the previous set of rules.) * https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-...

There are people without names. There are no cultures without names.

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by silisili »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #79
solardev wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if you look them up, but I bet the average person has no idea what Lenovo, Asus, Volvo, Nintendo, Samsung, and IKEA mean. Even more modern company names are kinda like that... Anker, DJI, Haier, Dalian Wanda, Kagi, Vercel, Nexon, Plex, Splunk, Zyxel, Sonos, Zynga, Hulu, Etsy, Yandex... Maybe if they just used a better random name generator with a better appreciation for English phonemes, we'd never know the dif…

> Anker, DJI, Haier, Dalian Wanda These all started as the equivalent of Amazon brands and went legit after getting a reputation for relative quality. Anker especially

Eh, not really Haier so much. Their namesake came from a joint effort with Liebherr in the 80s, and they've pretty much been legit since.

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by ulfw »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #79
solardev wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if you look them up, but I bet the average person has no idea what Lenovo, Asus, Volvo, Nintendo, Samsung, and IKEA mean. Even more modern company names are kinda like that... Anker, DJI, Haier, Dalian Wanda, Kagi, Vercel, Nexon, Plex, Splunk, Zyxel, Sonos, Zynga, Hulu, Etsy, Yandex... Maybe if they just used a better random name generator with a better appreciation for English phonemes, we'd never know the dif…

> Anker, DJI, Haier, Dalian Wanda These all started as the equivalent of Amazon brands and went legit after getting a reputation for relative quality. Anker especially

No they didn't. What are you talking about?! DJI has zero to do with anything amazon. Da-Jiang Innovations started with mainland students at HKUST almost twenty years ago and then moved to Shenzhen. No amazon whatever marketplace back then. Da Lian Wanda group is a property developer and cinema owner etc in China that sells neither houses nor cinemas on amazon. Haier as a name has been around since Liebherr JV'ed with Qingdao refrigerator in 1984. Amazon was founded ten years later!

Please don't use LLMs to post on here. There need to be at least a minimum of truth or facts when posting.

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by mikestew »

sampa wrote: post #43

I miss HTC (yeah, they're not dead officially, yet). From making ODM PDAs/phones for Dell/Compaq/HP/Google to becoming one of the top smartphone makers and playing with VR/beats headphones and into oblivion. Hope somebody writes a book about them.

For a while there, HTC was starting to look like the house brand for Windows Mobile/Pocket PC phones (I'm talking pre-WinMo6.x days). In the mid-00's, if you wanted a Windows phone in the U. S., you bought a Cingular/HTC 8125 with the sweet sliding keyboard. Then I bought an iPhone, quit paying attention to HTC, and later realized they're about gone. WTF happened to you, HTC?

Re: Nearly 500 brands exited smartphone market during 2017-2023

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Post by ulfw »

solardev wrote: post #81
FormerBandmate wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anker, DJI, Haier, Dalian Wanda These all started as the equivalent of Amazon brands and went legit after getting a reputation for relative quality. Anker especially

Not Dalian Wanda, I don't think? They started in Chinese real estate and now own much of Hollywood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanda_Group Edit: Actually, I don't think DJI and Haier were Amazon brands either. DJI was bootstrapped by a college kid's family after transitioning from selling electronic parts. Haier was in SE Asia before the US. Anker was though. Along with Aukey, RavPower, Mpow... some of those were e…

You're spot on.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/16/22536976/amazon-ravpower-...

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