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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Having been trialing Kagi for the last couple of months I do about 600-900 searches a month.

What are some examples of searches that you do? I guess I am just surprised at how often people search using a general search engine.

Not OC, but I burn through searches trying to chase down stacktrace errors. We're going through a big upgrade off of JDK8, so there's a lot of random queries.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Who was it that observed that one of the horrors of the internet as we have built it, is that because we are the product, we live in a world where whatever is free is evermore enshittified,

and only those with means can afford to not be sold.

And e.g. get high-quality search results.

Ugh.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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post #254

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Even those who don’t think ads affect them are mistaken. And if you extirpate ads completely from your life the tax is your time and effort to do so. That’s one of the most toxic mantras, it even seems purposefully misguiding.

I mostly agree, but I've been blocking ads however ways I can for years now, and I'd say a few minutes of setup has saved me HOURS of dealing with ads at this point. Plus... Building a PiHole was downright fun and easy.

I don't have PiHole but this instead https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ on all laptops.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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post #896

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But to make money those sites have to show ads

If I ran a seal-clubbing business I'd have to club seals to make money. The whole argument is that those sites don't exist to provide a good service yet sadly need to show ads to keep the lights on.

I’m just wondering to whom those ads get shown… not arguing that anyone should turn off their adblocker and keep them running

They are working hard to trick people into clicking on their links, but won’t most people who click those links be running an ad blocker? Are unsophisticated web users searching for questions answered on stack overflow?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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I almost never comment here on HN (or anywhere actually), but I feel the need to express how happy I am that I found (lost in a comment a few days ago) this service. For the past three or so years I have tried half a dozen times to leave Google Search. Tried DDG, Brave Search and some others I can't remember now. But the "poor" quality of results had me going to Google for half of my searches, and after a while, just…

Maybe "Like __ when it was great but paying for it" should be the new "Like Uber but for __".

I think that the problem is that a lot of vendors grossly overestimate their value - like NYTimes with their subscription. I am totally willing to pay for what they earn from me from ads and 10c on top of that monthly. But they want order of magnitude more.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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post #30

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Not the op but I use chatblade[0] on the cli, chatgpt-next-web[1] as webgui and quivr[2] for multimodal stuff files/images/audio/video. atm everything goes over a azure openai endpoint but would love to infere an llm locally. [0] https://github.com/npiv/chatblade [1] https://github.com/Yidadaa/ChatGPT-Next-Web/ [2] https://github.com/StanGirard/quivr

Is there much difference between the Azure endpoint and the direct OpenAI endpoint?

I really wonder this too.

At work we're always told to use the Azure one because our CIO is elbow deep in Microsoft's ass.

But I wonder.. one funny thing is that everyone at Microsoft is referring to OpenAI as an 'acquisition' whereas as far as I know they only have a <50% interest?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Happy customer here. Kagi is by far the best search engine there is. When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then. Now? Never. 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. The results hit home virtually every time. There are variety of features to customize your searches but truthfully, I never found the need for…

Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? I remember when Google was new, and I used to use Altavista and Hotbot and those older search engines, the difference in results were like night and day, and Google's results were "wow!" Does Kagi give a similar impression as Google did then?

I would love to see more analysis on result quality. Probably a good deal of it is subjective. I do miss Google's Bard AI results. Bard AI is fine, and it generally adds some value to the search results. I don't know how I feel about the ethics of AI in search results, mainly AI summarizing results and people not visiting the actual content. Also, I don't like how Bard is only available in Chrome, as Bing's AI is only available in Edge. I really doubt there is a technical reason AI results can't be in other browser search results. I'm sure it is just a ecosystem lockin play. I usually use Firefox so I don't get AI in results anyway.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

The one thing I can’t quit is Google Photos. I might give apple photos another go, but it really was subpar a year ago.

Anyone else struggled to leave google photos?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

#909

I wish there was a way to just buy 10,000 searches as a block and charge down against it. I don’t search that much. I don’t want another monthly service fee. But I love the idea of paying for search. Id happily pay $5 for 300 searches, but don’t want to do that every month. This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much.

Subscription based services are horrible user experience and it's a show of bad faith from the vendor, IMHO. You want me to be locked into your service, wen lwell, then I don't trust you or your product. This whole post feels dirty, how it's a direct link to a blog post that just reads like a press release, and there's a ton of sus responses promoting it in this thread. Tin foil hat, are we having a reddit bot moment…

Depends on the nature of the service - for dns, vpn and so on - thing you only really need one of - once chosen it makes sense - nextdns is 1$/month, backblaze 10 and i feel fine for subscribing. And not locked in in any way. I don't really need second one of any of those.

It doesn't make sense when your consumption is spread between many vendors - like news sites or streaming services or substacks. There should be option - done one time to someone on substack. There are authors I would like to send some money, but they just don't create enough value.

search engines and gpt chat bots are something in the middle - you usually have 1 + 1/2 backup. Goodle, then bing (google filter way too much some stuff), then yandex (since there torrents are not nuked). In this spot subscribing for each is too much money, but just limiting for one has real quality of life costs. Kagi seems to be somewhere here. I wish them luck - search space begs for disruption, but my hunch is that 10$/month is on the high side. On the other hand having those kind of people is valuable. A search engine for the rich will have easier time pitching value adding service.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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My biggest question - and the one that will drive me to subscribe right now is how "harmful" "misinformation" and "malinformation" is treated today, and how it will be in the future. I Do Not Want anything or anyone deciding what is good for me, what I should be seeing, or making it difficult for me to find things I'm searching for, regardless of the content. A search engine should be like the phone company - providi…

Yandex is pretty great for that. It's trash. Everything it spits out is trash. But sometimes you're looking for trash. If you're looking for some old offensive meme or whatever you can pretty easily find it in Yandex Image Search, for example.

Actually Yandex is much like google with blacklisting i have found.
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