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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by helboi4 »

ldx1024 wrote: post #514
no_wizard wrote: post #438

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How do you feel about the name? “Kagi it” feels clunky to me. “Google it” while I’ve heard many instances of people using the phrase even when Google isn’t involved has a ring to it that’s easy to say and tools out well. Have you given thought to whet the Kagi equivalent would be?

I think if Kagi was the established leader and Google was the challenger you would be saying the opposite.

No it's the actual word. "google it" allows for a liaison between the two words because "google" technically ends with an l sound (a consanant) and "it" begins with with a vowel - "googlit". It's also a soft sorta rolling consanant, which helps. In the case of "kagi it", "kagi" ends in an I and "it" begins in an I. That means you have to make a hard stop between the two words and pronounce clearly to differentiate between one I and the other otherwise you lose the words entirely. The two words fail to flow into each other in any way, making them feel less like a pair. Phrases that are easy and satisfying to say in the sense that they are actually just easy to get your mouth around are more likely to catch on. This is definitely something they should consider more carefully.

One could also argue that google is a pretty nice word for the English language since it evokes words like "look", "oggle", "oodles", implying looking through a lot of stuff and having a playful tone. Sounds silly but when someone says words sound like they mean something, it is a real phenomenon due to the way we interpret various sounds. In most languages, B sounds sound like big and round things and K sounds sound like sharp things. There have been studies on this. You can then get more specific in the subconscious patterns people recognise when you narrow it down to a certain language. This is why I say, Google is a great word for its function in the English language.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by paradox460 »

no_wizard wrote: post #438
freediver wrote: post #303

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Kagi founder here. You have my assurance this will not happen. Life is too short and I am not spending 10 years of my life building yet another ad-based search engine.

How do you feel about the name? “Kagi it” feels clunky to me. “Google it” while I’ve heard many instances of people using the phrase even when Google isn’t involved has a ring to it that’s easy to say and tools out well. Have you given thought to whet the Kagi equivalent would be?

Kagit

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Silasdev »

Falkon1313 wrote: post #497
gaudystead wrote: post #430

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I mostly agree, but I've been blocking ads however ways I can for years now, and I'd say a few minutes of setup has saved me HOURS of dealing with ads at this point. Plus... Building a PiHole was downright fun and easy.

I wish I'd been able to get the pihole to work as easily as it sounded. It looked cool. But it was incompatible with the router from the ISP I had at the time, and rather than also buy and setup a new router, I just packed it away. Now I have a new ISP with a different router, and I'm sure it's incompatible too. But at least it only takes 30 seconds to install ublock origin, and no extra hardware.

You should really consider getting a proper router like Unifi or the like. It's a one time cost and it will save you from these issues no matter what ISP supplied crap you end up getting.

Just plug whatever ISP router directly into your own, more capable, router and your home network will look identical, no matter where you move to or how many times you change ISP.

That said, running Pi-hole on a Raspberry pi is a treat!

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by paradox460 »

kulahan wrote: post #87
crisp wrote: post #6

Happy customer here. Kagi is by far the best search engine there is. When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then. Now? Never. 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. The results hit home virtually every time. There are variety of features to customize your searches but truthfully, I never found the need for…

That's awesome that it's so flexible. Can you search using symbols? Like if I'm trying to search "what is %" will it bring back results regarding the percentage sign, or results that start with the words "what is"? That's my major problem with google. Sometimes I need to search info on a symbol, and I don't know what it's called yet, so I have to perform another search, just to perform the one I actually care about.

God trying to look up what some string of characters in a random programming language is feels like a Sisyphean task in Google. Try getting Google to understand what a typed hole in Haskell is without knowing it's called a typed hole

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by willvarfar »

oblio wrote: post #628
bambax wrote: post #591

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> when you run into yet another stackoverflow copy OMG. Why doesn't Google filter out the likes of geeksforgeeks for instance? How is it possible that it always come before the genuine SO answer? Even without offering the possibility to filter out a domain (which they had, and later removed), how does the ranking algorithm not see those horrible, zero value clones??

Misaligned incentives (in corporate terms, $$$). I can't tell you what they are, but there are probably internal Google incentives to filter and internal Google incentives to not filter, and the ones to not filter are probably stronger.

My theory is that google went from ads in search results to ads on visited pages. By buying doubleclick etc they are suddenly incentivised to drive traffic to ad-supported websites.

Almost all the interesting factual websites are not ad-monetized. The SO spam etc are all scraps of the factual websites with ads injected. If google simply deprioritized ad-supported websites the search results would be much cleaner, but the part of google that sells the ads on sites instead of in search results would throw a fit.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by paradox460 »

jchw wrote: post #292
somsak2 wrote: post #208

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Pretty funny that when textbook publishers try to do this, people really hate it.

I think most people have a negative kneejerk reaction to asymmetrical pricing when they're the ones paying more. Generally for most things, the cost of delivering a product or service doesn't vary too much based on factors like local living wages, so at the end of the day, you're paying more margin than some other people are. In some cases, maybe your group is flat-out subsidizing other groups. It does seem people's…

Some people will even go out of their way to abuse a pricing scheme to get things for far cheaper. See cdkeys selling Xbox live cards from Argentina, for example

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by eviks »

mmahemoff wrote: post #643
eviks wrote: post #605

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It's rather unfortunate that this unergonomic convention of requiring shifted far away 1 key spread , this should be customizeable to some better ,comma prefix or something

Hah fair point. It's like when people set their Vim leader to , or ; instead of ESC.

Also, for the single-key abbrevs I'd not use any prefix at all just like I have in my browsers "g something" googles "something", it's close to never when I need to search for a single letter (and in those cases I'd just add a space before " g" to let it parse as a literal)

These ! prefixes are nice "visually", but the ergonomics haven't been thought through

Basically, customization is the solution to such design mistakes, but lack of customizatin is another design mistake :(

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by BoppreH »

dzogchen wrote: post #649
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

You 'installed' OpenStreetMaps?!

Ah, sorry, I meant an app that uses OSM as data source (OrganicMaps in my case). For some reason I thought I had an "official" app the OSM project, otherwise I wouldn't be so casual with the name.

And a shout-out to StreetComplete, that gamifies contributing to OSM.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

pentae wrote: post #429
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

I would love to use Nebula but it seems to lean quite politically in one direction (as I suspect from a Canadian platform) which seems like something I don't want to support with my dollars. At least on YouTube I can find a diverse range of opinions

There’s a lean towards thoughtful, educational content on Nebula

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Post by ConSeannery »

permo-w wrote: post #588
CynicusRex wrote: post #534

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It is indeed, hence “ https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=%s -site:quora.com -site:pinterest.com” as my default search syntax.

I have a strong memory that Quora used to be quite good, and then was suddenly horrendous. Is this just me?

Not just you, it used to have solely high quality Q&A...then the yahoo answers folks migrated over
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