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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by wpm »

prepend wrote: post #280
dbrueck wrote: post #175

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I hear you, but it's also really hard from the service provider's perspective because - for many people at least - the allotment of searches starts to become a hinderance on using it. By making it feel a finite resource, some percentage of the users will start to ration their use of your service and/or do some deliberation before using it ("I kinda want to look that up, but I don't know if I want to spend one of my s…

I get that it’s hard, but figure it out. Amazon doesn’t make me subscribe and I can buy 100 hours and use them over 10 years for all they care. I’ve had monthly bills that are a penny from glacier. I don’t think this pricing is because it’s hard on Kagi. I think it’s a dark pattern that once people subscribe they just autopay forever. My dad subscribed to dial up aol until last year. He hasn’t had a phone line for 15…

A simple paygo model with monthly caps at the same prices as the current tiers could work.

If I search five times a month, charge me $0.05 a search. If I search 2000 times, charge me $10. If I search 2001 times, just charge me ten dollars.

Still no need to think about it, no need to lock into a subscription, but you also don’t have to worry about blowing your credit card up if you have a research paper due or something.

Of course, no one does this because you’re right, it’s purely a dark pattern.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by yunwal »

bee_rider wrote: post #423
oaktowner wrote: post #281

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A good friend once described the lottery as "a tax on people with bad math skills" and I don't think I've played since.

I don’t play the lottery, but I think this is not really correct. Playing the lottery must be an action that has a negative expected value (otherwise they’d go out of business). But if, rather than expected value, you are optimizing for “probability of having a hundred million dollars” or whatever, your options are: keep the money you would have spent on the ticket (0% chance of success) or buy the ticket (very small…

I think it's still probably better to throw all the money down on an unlikely sports bet or some crazy options trade. The lottery is particularly skewed to the house.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by ask_b123 »

RajT88 wrote: post #451
Grimburger wrote: post #413

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> it's easy to click "block this domain" Friendly reminder that google had this feature a decade ago then removed it. Hopefully someone in the C-Suite got a few back pats for that decision. https://searchengineland.com/google-brings-back-blocking-sit...

Google's gotta make money off Pinterest somehow, based on the most blocked domains on Kagi: https://kagi.com/stats Pinterest is a scourge on the modern web, worse than any other.

Might these stats be biased by the demographics that use Kagi? I don't use Pinterest, and never really encounter it on a daily basis, but some of my friends really like the site. Tbf, they might use stackoverflow more, but seeing Hacker News on the top 5 doesn't seem to reflect the average web user's usage...

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by afavour »

tekknik wrote: post #443
james2doyle wrote: post #77

I like the statement they made on their jobs page: Core Front-end Team Passion for creating delightful and swift user interfaces. Proficiency in HTML, CSS, and _an understanding that JavaScript can be used sparingly to enhance, not create, product experiences._ Ability to prototype rapidly. Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where *all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps)…

> Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps) work perfectly without JavaScript . We see JavaScript as a tool to enhance the UX, not create it. This doesn’t matter to me at all. When will people quit trying to hold the web back for their own self served interests? If supporting Kagi means supporting this idea that javascript should di…

Hyperbole much? Nowhere does it say JavaScript should “die”.

Today’s web is overflowing with unnecessary complication from trying to fit absolutely every type of content through a React shaped hole. It leads to a worse experience for everyone except the developer making the site, who gets to marvel at how fast they’re shipping new features.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by mroche »

At $10 to essentially have a month-long evaluation of an unhindered product... that is a steal. Time to see how Kagi performs for me! I didn't give it a try in the past because I end up doing a lot of searching during the day and Google/DDG are starting to get repetitive and annoying with their results.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by flagrant_taco »

tekknik wrote: post #443
james2doyle wrote: post #77

I like the statement they made on their jobs page: Core Front-end Team Passion for creating delightful and swift user interfaces. Proficiency in HTML, CSS, and _an understanding that JavaScript can be used sparingly to enhance, not create, product experiences._ Ability to prototype rapidly. Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where *all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps)…

> Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps) work perfectly without JavaScript . We see JavaScript as a tool to enhance the UX, not create it. This doesn’t matter to me at all. When will people quit trying to hold the web back for their own self served interests? If supporting Kagi means supporting this idea that javascript should di…

I'm not sure what other impositions you've had to deal with that made this a hot button issue, but Kagi said nothing about getting rid of JS here. They even call out two use cases where they depend on JS for core features, what makes you think they want to remove JS support all together?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Falkon1313 »

MatthiasPortzel wrote: post #380
FpUser wrote: post #328

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I just did exactly this search on Google. The first result was this -[0] which is exactly spot on. Not sure if it is because I use Brave browser which also blocks ads on websites. [0] - https://tecadmin.net/get-current-date-time-javascript/#:~:te...

You clearly use an ad blocker. That page is over 50% ads.

Wow. I just loaded it and then turned off the adblocker and reloaded it. It's like you need another search engine just to find the content in the page hidden amongst all those ads.

I can't believe some people actually use the internet like that all the time.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by jacobsenscott »

mongol wrote: post #19
crisp wrote: post #6

Happy customer here. Kagi is by far the best search engine there is. When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then. Now? Never. 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. The results hit home virtually every time. There are variety of features to customize your searches but truthfully, I never found the need for…

Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? I remember when Google was new, and I used to use Altavista and Hotbot and those older search engines, the difference in results were like night and day, and Google's results were "wow!" Does Kagi give a similar impression as Google did then?

Maybe I'm simplifying, and I haven't used it. But it looks like you are basically paying for an anonymized (maybe, since you need an account) proxy to google. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm.... Getting 10 year old flickr images is great, I'm sure. But probably the most relevant search results still come from google.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by shkkmo »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #480
dylan604 wrote: post #410

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Look at the numbers of the people playing lotto/scratch-offs. Look at where they are being sold. These are targeted at a specific group of people. You can try to whitewash it all you want, but it only makes you look naive. Especially that last sentence of yours. I'm really struggling to not get banned for commenting to this, but I'd suggest taking some rose tinted glasses off and taking a real look at this issue.

Can you help me understand how this is whitewashing exactly? I guess you could invent a term like poor-washing, but where did race come into this?

The term "whitewashing", like many uses of the color "white" has nothing to do with race. Rather, it is a metaphor referencing a type of paint.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_(censorship)

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Falkon1313 »

wyclif wrote: post #417
macNchz wrote: post #271

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Interesting to see reddit on the block list, I have issues with the way they’ve been operating but I do often find myself explicitly adding site:reddit.com to google searches, since it seems like one of few places online where there is still non-sponsored conversation about diverse topics. RIP old-school forums.

Note that Reddit is also on the Kagi promoted leaderboard. It seems that Reddit represents a paradox in that way.

Given the audience (mostly techy people), it seems to be a love it or hate it thing.
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