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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by shyn3 »

n42 wrote: post #360
kunwon1 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm doing the same thing, but specifically for reviews/recommendations. I can't remember the last time I had even an inkling of trust for a review published on a website. Reddit is basically the only source I have for potentially trustworthy opinions about products

IMO, this is no longer the case. Basically any new thread is getting astroturfed by marketing teams, and it seems like Reddit started doing SEO to promote newer threads, so the days of reliable reddit reviews seem to be over

Definitely true. Marketing teams at multiple roles paid third parties to advertise on Reddit. Even tongue in cheek comments about incidents are marketing.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by gkbrk »

tekknik wrote: post #443
james2doyle wrote: post #77

I like the statement they made on their jobs page: Core Front-end Team Passion for creating delightful and swift user interfaces. Proficiency in HTML, CSS, and _an understanding that JavaScript can be used sparingly to enhance, not create, product experiences._ Ability to prototype rapidly. Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where *all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps)…

> Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps) work perfectly without JavaScript . We see JavaScript as a tool to enhance the UX, not create it. This doesn’t matter to me at all. When will people quit trying to hold the web back for their own self served interests? If supporting Kagi means supporting this idea that javascript should di…

Where in that quote does it say that "Javascript should die"?

They're just talking about using progressive enhancement, which is a common recommendation for making web applications faster, more reliable, more accessible and less fragile.

If you think not making the entire UI and replicating browser functionality with custom JS code is "holding the web back", sorry to inform you but you might be holding the web back.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by lepetitchef »

I am so proud to be one of Kagi customer. Please check out my 3 favorite features of Kagi: - Small web: a collection of human blogs that you can submit your own. https://blog.kagi.com/small-web - Lens: customized search result https://help.kagi.com/kagi/features/lenses.html - Bang: very similar to DuckDuckGo bang.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by mmahemoff »

falsenapkin wrote: post #456
mmahemoff wrote: post #296

Good to see DuckDuckGo's Bang syntax [1] has become commonplace with alt search engines. Following convention, Kagi lets you append !g to divert the search on Google. A simple escape hatch like that is worthwhile as Google is often superior for local-area searches, in my experience. I've dabbled with a multitude of search engines recently and that is one thing badly missing from Bing. 1. https://duckduckgo.com/bangs

Not disagreeing with your main point but some anecdata on local searches: for me, Google likes to show me the other, larger city by the same name several hundred miles away. If I use Google Maps it likes to teleport as well. Sometimes even serving results for unrelated businesses, like one time I was searching for a photo developer and it recommended a B rate fast food chain. Kagi has done a much better job of respec…

By “local”, I’m mainly concerned with the country rather than city level. I’m not US based and most search engines have that bias.

For example, searches about news, public holidays, or certain statistics should default to the user’s home country (however that is determined, which is admittedly a whole other can of worms that even Google doesn’t always handle well).

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by prepend »

dylan604 wrote: post #322
prepend wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Food depreciates after you buy it. Do you buy it? Or do you lease food subscriptions. I use a car that it’s more efficient to buy it. Not because I love buying cars. Cars are just an expense and having a fixed cost is nice. Id love to live in a city that doesn’t require a car. Maybe one day again.

Only if you're wasteful does food depreciate, but I'd argue that's not the correct word. Food is consumed after you buy it. It was used precisely for what it was intended. That's not depreciation, but I'm guessing you know this and trying to be cute?

My car that I bought was used precisely for what it was intended. And it depreciates through its life until it is no longer useful and its value is zero.

We buy lots of depreciating assets because we need them. That’s not bad, necessarily. But don’t buy a car as an investment.

I brought up food because it’s a depreciating asset. You buy it, you eat it, its value depreciated to zero. It’s not cute, just pointing out that “don’t buy depreciating assets isn’t a very useful life choice.”

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by dbrueck »

prepend wrote: post #280
dbrueck wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you, but it's also really hard from the service provider's perspective because - for many people at least - the allotment of searches starts to become a hinderance on using it. By making it feel a finite resource, some percentage of the users will start to ration their use of your service and/or do some deliberation before using it ("I kinda want to look that up, but I don't know if I want to spend one of my s…

I get that it’s hard, but figure it out. Amazon doesn’t make me subscribe and I can buy 100 hours and use them over 10 years for all they care. I’ve had monthly bills that are a penny from glacier. I don’t think this pricing is because it’s hard on Kagi. I think it’s a dark pattern that once people subscribe they just autopay forever. My dad subscribed to dial up aol until last year. He hasn’t had a phone line for 15…

Oh, I'm not defending their approach per se - I don't want another subscription at that price point either - I'm just saying that it's not as simple as it appears on the surface because the alternate approach has a direct impact on the behavior of a good chunk of the user base, in a way that's not really good for the business or the users.

I'd argue that in many cases - including this one - the issue with subscriptions is simply that they are overpriced from the customer's perspective. Reasons for this could be greed, a desire to get to a self-sufficient revenue point too early, worrying about the handful of users that will abuse any sort of unlimited plan. From the customer's perspective, if the cost-vs-benefits don't feel right, then they'll complain about a subscription, but it's not /really/ the main problem in most cases.

The most "fair" plan for e.g. Netflix would be if I paid for each thing I watch, but that is effectively a "tax" on usage and negatively affects my usage patterns (from both my perspective and theirs). For example, I'd be super hesitant to browse and try out stuff I might not like. On the flip side, Netflix has now passed 15USD/mo and while it's not a huge chunk of change, I don't feel like I get 15 dollars of value out of it, so I'm thinking of cancelling. If the subscription was an absurdly low 1USD/mo, I wouldn't care about the subscription at all.

Kagi's situation is unfortunate for them because they are trying to get people to pay for something that we normally think of as free, so they probably need to lower the price point, at least for now.

> Amazon doesn’t make me subscribe and I can buy 100 hours and use them over 10 years for all they care

Well, sure, getting a customer's money up front for something intangible that they may never use and whose cost to you trends towards zero anyway is something they're happy to sell you. :)

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by leejoramo »

riddley wrote: post #416

I looked into Kagi a week or so ago from a different HN link and was turned off by the Apple-focus. I've had bad experiences in the past with early adopting and regretting it because I don't use Apple products. I understand they plan to support non Apple stuff but it's never clear if that support will be first-class and it often isn't. Considering that it's a Chromium wrapper, it seems odd that they took this route.…

Orion is based on Apple’s WebKit, not Google’s Chromium. Granted Chromium was a fork of WebKit, but that was a long time ago.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by laserbeam »

magic_hamster wrote: post #448
AussieWog93 wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It feels really nice using products that respect me, as opposed to services that are actively hostile because of advertisers. Hot take, but IMO Windows has far more respect for the user than Linux does. Everything is far more QA'd (and designed to be QA-able) and at least tries to minimise user frustration. There are exceptions to this, like "suggestions" in the Start menu, but outside of this it's designed in a use…

> (Desktop) Linux, on the other hand, seems to be more of an intellectual experiment designed to please the people who are writing it rather than a consumer-focused product Honestly can't tell if you're joking, but I guess yes. Linux is the most stable OS I've ever used. There's a reason most mission critical and online services that require constant uptime run almost exclusively on Linux. Windows used to have a nice…

> There's a reason most mission critical and online services that require constant uptime run almost exclusively on Linux.

That argument only applies to servers. Places where you don't need to wrangle x11, the audio stack, gpu drivers for less common cards, conflicting gtk and qt versions for different apps you might use on a whim, hidpi support in old apps, theming issues... I've no idea how many of these are still a plague these days, but they certainly have been for long.

Servers are way more predictable linux configurations.

For desktop, win32 is as solid as it gets (too bad it's shipped within a desktop filled with increasingly many dark patterns).

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

tekknik wrote: post #443
james2doyle wrote: post #77

I like the statement they made on their jobs page: Core Front-end Team Passion for creating delightful and swift user interfaces. Proficiency in HTML, CSS, and _an understanding that JavaScript can be used sparingly to enhance, not create, product experiences._ Ability to prototype rapidly. Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where *all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps)…

> Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps) work perfectly without JavaScript . We see JavaScript as a tool to enhance the UX, not create it. This doesn’t matter to me at all. When will people quit trying to hold the web back for their own self served interests? If supporting Kagi means supporting this idea that javascript should di…

It doesn't really matter whether a site uses JavaScript or not, but empirically, sites that insist on being almost all HTML and CSS work infinitely better — faster, smoother, adhering to standard idioms — than sites that rely heavily on JS. There are some exceptions to this, of course, but by and large it's a pretty good heuristic.
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