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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by RajT88 »

Grimburger wrote: post #413
viraptor wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience it's not that there's better quality results found, but rather low quality results are skipped. There's a lot filtered by default + it's easy to click "block this domain" when you run into yet another stackoverflow copy. It means that when you're searching for code related things, you often get small relevant blogs in position 3+ rather than SEO spam. For example searching for "current time on JavaSc…

> it's easy to click "block this domain" Friendly reminder that google had this feature a decade ago then removed it. Hopefully someone in the C-Suite got a few back pats for that decision. https://searchengineland.com/google-brings-back-blocking-sit...

Google's gotta make money off Pinterest somehow, based on the most blocked domains on Kagi:

https://kagi.com/stats

Pinterest is a scourge on the modern web, worse than any other.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Gustomaximus »

For mass market I feel 'free' will always win.

With that in mind I wonder if Kagi would be worth having ads for a free version but be super clear what the ads are based on. E.g purely based on 1) search KW and 2) IP location of the search. Nothing more and nothing additional stored.

I wonder if privacy minded people would be happy with that as it's very limited data in today's ad world, a massive improvement on anything else, plus you can turn if off if you want to pay.

I also suspect it would be ~80% as good for advertisers as so much of the rich segmenting advertisers like to pitch has limited to zero effect and KW/location are the big 2 variables.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by spott »

TehShrike wrote: post #189
prepend wrote: post #100

I wish there was a way to just buy 10,000 searches as a block and charge down against it. I don’t search that much. I don’t want another monthly service fee. But I love the idea of paying for search. Id happily pay $5 for 300 searches, but don’t want to do that every month. This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much.

You might want to look at rigging something up with their API. To use their API, you pre-pay for credits – 25$ for 1000 searches via the API.

Their api is slightly different. That is an api into their own index, but their search results are a combination of those results as well as a bunch of outside search results from places like google etc.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by tomjen3 »

simondotau wrote: post #300
hedora wrote: post #233

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Google's been losing in blind comparisons for over a decade (experiments: - Both have google branding -> competitor wins - Neither has google branding -> competitor wins - One (chosen randomly) has google branding -> google branding wins Yahoo search consistently beat them for a few years before Microsoft bought it and turned it into Bing. It doesn't surprise me at all that Yandex is also producing better results.

I participated in this kind of experiment in 2007 comparing Google to Bing, and ho boy, the Bing results were abysmal. (Then again Google results today are so abysmal that it wouldn’t surprise me if Bing is now dramatically better.)

Bing beats Google for certain queries - most notably when I invoke the AI chat.

And that’s going to be the challenge going forward. For non destination queries, that’s those that are not about finding a specific website, ai search is just so much better.

Kagi had a summerize search results at the top of their results page for a long time.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Brajeshwar »

bradgessler wrote: post #117
freediver wrote: post #103

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Vlad here from Kagi. We are building one, would you like to chat? Would love to understand your needs. Please reach out to vlad@kagi.com

Hi Vlad, You might want the blog to prominently link back to https://kagi.com . "Home" took me to https://blog.kagi.com , I tried clicking on the pricing table image, etc. but nothing got me to the actual product. I had to manually enter https://kagi.com to see the product behind the blog.

Same experience here. Here is what I had suggested to many others. I hope this makes sense;

HOME -- links to your homepage

BLOG -- links to your blog

So, even on your blog sub-domain/folder (blog.domain.com or domain.com/blog), have both the links (HOME | BLOG) that links to the right URL.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by falsenapkin »

mmahemoff wrote: post #296

Good to see DuckDuckGo's Bang syntax [1] has become commonplace with alt search engines. Following convention, Kagi lets you append !g to divert the search on Google. A simple escape hatch like that is worthwhile as Google is often superior for local-area searches, in my experience. I've dabbled with a multitude of search engines recently and that is one thing badly missing from Bing. 1. https://duckduckgo.com/bangs

Not disagreeing with your main point but some anecdata on local searches: for me, Google likes to show me the other, larger city by the same name several hundred miles away. If I use Google Maps it likes to teleport as well. Sometimes even serving results for unrelated businesses, like one time I was searching for a photo developer and it recommended a B rate fast food chain.

Kagi has done a much better job of respecting where I live, though it has had a few minor misses that Google produced (maybe after wading through some crap).

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by wpm »

542458 wrote: post #399
switch007 wrote: post #392

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Is this satire?? Respect for the user… While it forces a reboot While it tries to trick you in to upgrading to 11 While it sends huge amounts of telemetry to Microsoft When it forces you to sign up for an non-local account When it use dark patterns to get you to use Edge and upgrade to Windows 10 When it forces updates on Home users …

I agree with most everything else you’ve said, but I feel like I’m using a different windows than everyone else when they talk about “forced reboots”. This never happens to me! I’ve seen prompts, but they were always able to be delayed. Is it something that only kicks in if you go ages without manually rebooting? At a certain point though, I’d say forcing users to install critical security updates is the user-centere…

It’s not when it reboots in the middle of the night while you had open documents and apps, and the OS didn’t save any of that.

However, the forced reboots are trivial to disable in Group Policy.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by tech234a »

hedora wrote: post #233
rg111 wrote: post #50

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I read some days back on HN that even Yandex is better than Google nowadays. And I apologoze for shilling a Russian company, but it is true! For some queries, Yandex is better than Google. I have replaced Google completely with DDG for most searches, ChatGPT for some things, GitHub Copilot for mundane code questions, phind or code.you.com for things requiring more search, and Kagi for things requiring much more searc…

Google's been losing in blind comparisons for over a decade (experiments: - Both have google branding -> competitor wins - Neither has google branding -> competitor wins - One (chosen randomly) has google branding -> google branding wins Yahoo search consistently beat them for a few years before Microsoft bought it and turned it into Bing. It doesn't surprise me at all that Yandex is also producing better results.

To my knowledge, Microsoft never bought Yahoo!, but Yahoo! does use Bing for its searches.
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