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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by tiagod »

kelnos wrote: post #318
viraptor wrote: post #74

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In my experience it's not that there's better quality results found, but rather low quality results are skipped. There's a lot filtered by default + it's easy to click "block this domain" when you run into yet another stackoverflow copy. It means that when you're searching for code related things, you often get small relevant blogs in position 3+ rather than SEO spam. For example searching for "current time on JavaSc…

> yet another stackoverflow copy I never got why these even ever appear in Google search results (or any search results, really). It feels like it would be super trivial to identify sites that are scraped copies of other sites. Granted, without foreknowledge, the engine doesn't know which is the original. But at the very least this can be determined by a human once, and then the problem goes away forever for that par…

That ship has already sailed, they are already using AI in mass to generate original looking content.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by bravetraveler »

wackget wrote: post #150

Call me tight-fisted or naive or whatever but I don't see $10/month as a remotely attractive price point and I don't see how they can justify it, especially when their results are still powered at least in part by external indexers. $10/month can get you terabytes of media on streaming platforms. $1-2/month is what I would pay.

Ditto, but I also just don't search that much.

Well... I do, but not the broad internet. I search the places that have the information I want -- Ansible docs, VCS, etc.

I've solved this 'problem' completely for free

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by HDThoreaun »

BoppreH wrote: post #191
rjh29 wrote: post #172

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Yeah you sound like someone who should not be using Windows in any way shape or form. The telemetry and lack of control? Try Linux out.

I'm wary of telemetry, but willing to accept it. It's the lack of respect that gets to me. "Yes/Maybe Later"? Showing me a fake Windows update screen once a month to try to get me to use an online account and switch to Edge? Starting a Bing search when the start menu doesn't recognize an application's name? Pre-installing games with advertisement and microtransactions? It's a commercial operating system, for Christ's…

> Starting a Bing search when the start menu doesn't recognize an application's name

Seriously though wtf is up with this? So actively hostile to user experience

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by mattrick »

VHRanger wrote: post #193
rjh29 wrote: post #172

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Yeah you sound like someone who should not be using Windows in any way shape or form. The telemetry and lack of control? Try Linux out.

The only lockin I have remaining to windows is video games really

You'd be surprised how many games run perfectly well on Linux. Unless you're playing something with ridiculous anticheat like Valorant it will most likely run fine.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by kelnos »

dylan604 wrote: post #96
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31

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> Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? Encourage you to try it. I've repeated Scott Galloway's mantra that advertisement is a tax on America's poor and stupid. But I never quite clocked the cost of search ads. It might be solely due to that lack of scrolling through crud that makes Kagi seem much, much faster than Google or DuckDuckGo.

Isn't that the same thing said about Lotto/scratch-offs/etc?

It's complicated.

I go to Vegas and gamble sometimes, which is not all that different. I don't gamble because I expect to win money; I gamble because the experience (especially with more social games like craps) is fun to me, even when I lose. Certainly it's not fun to everyone, but roller coasters aren't fun to everyone either, and that's fine.

If you only gamble or play the lottery because you genuinely think you have a reasonable shot of coming out ahead (vs. other uses for that money), then you may have a problem. Or if you have an addiction to gambling and it's actually hurting your finances.

The other bit is that if you're poor, and playing the lottery is a way for you to build a little hope into your life (even if, deep down, you know you're unlikely to win), that's... questionable, maybe? Not an indictment of yourself, but it calls into question societal structures that essentially profit off your low-level financial despair, in return for lessening that despair a little, but only with a placebo. When instead society should instead be helping you, to, y'know, not be poor.

But hey, if someone allocates $5 in their budget to buy scratch-offs every day, I'd say that's probably better for their health than eating a $5 ice cream sundae every day.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by resonious »

This is pretty cool. I tried Kagi once and liked it, but ran out of my monthly search allowance within a few days. Apparently I make 20x more searches than the average user... So even if I paid, I wouldn't have enough. And I don't like the idea that I'm paying for every web search. It'd add a weird friction that I think would inhibit my flow.

Admittedly $10 still seems kinda steep for something I get for free already. But maybe I should just try it out for a month and my mind might change.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by solardev »

james2doyle wrote: post #229
tills13 wrote: post #197

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In my opinion, in not using JavaScript they are missing out on a really nice DX. This is the kind of app that could be highly optimized _despite_ using React or something similar. Knee-capping your hiring to Make A Point (tm) is silly.

Nice DX at the cost of UX. The current state of web development has been ruined by putting developer experience over user experience. A great example that was shared on HN a few days ago: https://ericwbailey.website/published/modern-health-framewor... This person couldn't use the site. But at least the developer got to see red squiggles when they didn't format their object properly! If you see "not using JS as much"…

Why does that site even need JS? It looks just like an article.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by solardev »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #72
boringg wrote: post #11

I think Kagi sounds interesting but the business model is a tough one outside of niche HN types. E.g. I am interested but can't be bothered to pursue it as it seems like an unnecessary additional SAS model cost to my monthly budget. How does search quality really change my life? Entrenched behavior is tough to overcome especially ostensibly free products.

> the business model is a tough one outside of niche HN types There are lucrative bundling opportunities. I am waiting fora corporate product; it's notable that Google Workspace still subjects you to ads in search. That's not only a data leak. It's also a constant attention tax on your knowledge workers.

Your Google Workspace has ads...?

Oh, do you mean if you do a Google Search even though your company pays for Workspace?

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by waynesonfire »

tiagod wrote: post #341
kelnos wrote: post #318

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> yet another stackoverflow copy I never got why these even ever appear in Google search results (or any search results, really). It feels like it would be super trivial to identify sites that are scraped copies of other sites. Granted, without foreknowledge, the engine doesn't know which is the original. But at the very least this can be determined by a human once, and then the problem goes away forever for that par…

That ship has already sailed, they are already using AI in mass to generate original looking content.

it's kind of upsetting that the first to benefit from LLMs are the scum of the internet.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by paholg »

4AoZqrH2fsk5UB wrote: post #288

If I could pay with Monero I’d get an account. I like what I see but don’t like the possibility of my ID being tied to my searches.

You can pay with Bitcoin. I assume it's possible to create a Bitcoin wallet and fund it with Monero so it has no link to you?
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