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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by dgacmu »

prepend wrote: post #100

I wish there was a way to just buy 10,000 searches as a block and charge down against it. I don’t search that much. I don’t want another monthly service fee. But I love the idea of paying for search. Id happily pay $5 for 300 searches, but don’t want to do that every month. This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much.

I suggest that it might be different: a lot of kagi users - of which I am one - complain about feeling internal pressure to optimize their number of searches, which leads to higher mental cost. The unlimited model is nicely brainless, which I mean in a good way: you just use it however you want, and as long as you're getting>= $10 of value from it, you keep doing so, instead of having this per-operation mental calculus of "should I preface this with !g to save a search?"

I have this same unavoidable urge to optimize with other limited plans, such as cell phone plans (for voice , before everyone went unlimited anyway) and have found I'm much happier with an unlimited plan. It costs more and I value the saved mental energy more than the trivial amount of money.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by esafak »

blakespot wrote: post #311

Didn't I use some online payment system in 2001 or so, called Kagi?

"We are not affiliated with the legendary Kagi - the shareware payments platform. That Kagi went bankrupt in an unfortunate turn of events. We liked the name and acquired it when we got the chance."

https://help.kagi.com/orion/company/history.html

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by selcuka »

freediver wrote: post #303
pierat wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s not that Kagi is better at search, it’s that Kagi is cleaner and more efficient. It doesn’t do bullshit dark patterns, reward SEO, track the shit out of you, or hide valuable tools. Yet. Google did the same originally. Super clean, just delivered whatever was searched for; no more, no less. When Kagi gets a taste of how much money is available for tracking and profiling users. and theyll start small. And since…

Kagi founder here. You have my assurance this will not happen. Life is too short and I am not spending 10 years of my life building yet another ad-based search engine.

I trust you will not, but what about after you exit?

Anyway, you or someone else will probably start a new search engine, and we will start again. It's best to enjoy it until that happens.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by [deleted] »

dot5xdev wrote: post #41

I'm currently paying for Kagi. It's nice. But, so far I feel like it may only be like 2% better than Google, probably not enough to keep me long term. A lot of times the results are better on Kagi than Google, but not by much. It makes sense they're similar since Kagi uses Google's index (among others).

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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by freedomben »

chongli wrote: post #326
prepend wrote: post #100

I wish there was a way to just buy 10,000 searches as a block and charge down against it. I don’t search that much. I don’t want another monthly service fee. But I love the idea of paying for search. Id happily pay $5 for 300 searches, but don’t want to do that every month. This seems like the buffet or gym model where they want people just mindlessly paying and then not using it that much.

I don’t even make 10,000 searches in a year. I just did a search of my browser history: 8881 visits to DDG in the past 12 months, including many duplicates where I hit the back button to click a different link on the same SERP. How much do you think it would be reasonable for them to charge for 10,000 searches? I assume this fee is supposed to sustain the company and fund all development and growth with a 100% ad-fre…

GP already said $5 per 300 searches. 10,000 would be $166.67 at that rate.

Given that they allow unlimited for $10 per month, that would mean it's the equivalent revenue of 16.67 months, which seems pretty comparable to your numbers.

I think you're being unreasonable toward GP.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by rvz »

This is hilarious with all these celebrations from Firefox fans on HN using Kagi paying for search.

Firefox fans need to know that by using Kagi you're hurting Firefox (and Mozilla) as they are completely dependent and need to beg for Google's millions for being the default search engine.

Unlimited Kagi searches at $10 is still unsustainable vs free Google searches. By default, Kagi will either (eventually) raise prices or reduce them to compete in the race to zero on search with Google already at the finish line.

So please continue the 'celebrations'.

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Post by reywood »

wonnage wrote: post #313
james2doyle wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice DX at the cost of UX. The current state of web development has been ruined by putting developer experience over user experience. A great example that was shared on HN a few days ago: https://ericwbailey.website/published/modern-health-framewor... This person couldn't use the site. But at least the developer got to see red squiggles when they didn't format their object properly! If you see "not using JS as much"…

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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by dylan604 »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #136
prepend wrote: post #114

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Right and this is the reason I don’t like subscriptions. Id rather buy things. I don’t want a car subscription. I want to buy a car. I don’t want a book subscription. I want to buy a car. I don’t a compute subscription. I want to buy compute hours. Etc etc

Cars are the one thing I don't want to buy. It's not an asset. It depreciates. I'd like to pay a reasonable monthly subscription with a small fee per mile once I go over some minimum for my tier. Once autonomous vehicles are stable, I'm presuming I'll be able to hail a car in 5 or 10 mins via app. I guess the only question is what to do in full-on emergencies. For example, when the zombie apocalypse begins, or the al…

>Cars are the one thing I don't want to buy. It's not an asset. It depreciates.

If you look at a car as an investment, "you're holding it wrong" is the best I can come up with as to how I feel about it. To me, a car is just a really specialized tool. I don't expect my wrenches and socket sets to appreciate in value the longer I hold them. Cars are made by the thousands every day/week/month/year. We don't expect our mobile devices/laptops/desktops to appreciate either. This whole depreciating argument confuses me. Maybe some people just have a hard time equating something with that kind of price tag as simply a tool?

There are very few cars that are investment worthy, and if that's the kind of car you're after, then so be it. But to the 99.99999% of people looking for a car, it is simply something to serve a purpose.

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