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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by MrVandemar »

wackget wrote: post #150

Call me tight-fisted or naive or whatever but I don't see $10/month as a remotely attractive price point and I don't see how they can justify it, especially when their results are still powered at least in part by external indexers. $10/month can get you terabytes of media on streaming platforms. $1-2/month is what I would pay.

You're not paying for terabytes of media. You are paying for time and a reduced cognitive load.

I think it's a fair price if you live in the US. I'd pay it, except I don't live in the US and our currency isn't great at the moment, and I don't exactly get overpaid at my job, and the cost of everything is rising, so I personally can't afford it ATM. But it seems reasonable to me.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by sshine »

vorpalhex wrote: post #48
boringg wrote: post #11

I think Kagi sounds interesting but the business model is a tough one outside of niche HN types. E.g. I am interested but can't be bothered to pursue it as it seems like an unnecessary additional SAS model cost to my monthly budget. How does search quality really change my life? Entrenched behavior is tough to overcome especially ostensibly free products.

How much time do you waste wading through bad search results? Would you pay $10/mo to fix that problem? For me, the answer has been yes. I don't think that is true of everyone (but maybe some people can live in the free plan limits!) I started with the free plan, made it my default search engine and then tried to measure how often I felt like I had "lost something" once my free tier was up. And yeah, having to go bac…

> maybe some people can live in the free plan limits

When the free plan was 50 searches, that lasted me less than a day.

Now that the free plan is 300 searches, it'd last me a few days.

It was enough for me to get hooked.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by _8j50 »

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #63
_8j50 wrote: post #35

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> Who wants to start a company selling fresh bottled air? Lol. i wish i could downvote this 100x. Peak bad NH stuff. Kagi is actually one of the few good new products out there that tackle fundamental user needs.

I respect your desire to downvote me but I respectfullu disagree after signing up and using them.

"Bad HN stuff" is lazy argument. They sell google searches and their value is "we promise". Bad HN stuff is how the HN crowd loves to hate on commercial VPN providers who have the same business model but the Kagi dude speaks and talks like your crowd so you rally around this product.

As if DDG didn't do the same thing for free. ADs were never the problem, the way ads work in search was the problem.

One of the first lessons I learned on the internet is never to trust online services on their word alone and that what you post online (search in this case) is there to stay forever.

You know what made me swtich from indifferent to opposing Kagi? After my trial ended, i kept searching for stuff in my nav bar, historical hits come up and when I select them, boom, Kagi paywall!

That's why my challenge to Kagi is if they ask money for what DDG and like a dozen other competitors offer for free with privacy promises similar to Kagi, then at least offer insurance and put their money where their mouth is if they're going to ask for people's money.

Also, search results after you stop paying shouldn't go back on paywall, you paid already for it!

I commented fully expecting to get downvoted as I do now, but you haven't countered my fairly reasonable assertions.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by aidenn0 »

BoppreH wrote: post #191
rjh29 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah you sound like someone who should not be using Windows in any way shape or form. The telemetry and lack of control? Try Linux out.

I'm wary of telemetry, but willing to accept it. It's the lack of respect that gets to me. "Yes/Maybe Later"? Showing me a fake Windows update screen once a month to try to get me to use an online account and switch to Edge? Starting a Bing search when the start menu doesn't recognize an application's name? Pre-installing games with advertisement and microtransactions? It's a commercial operating system, for Christ's…

Yeah, Windows 8 was kind of ineffably bad. I know exactly effing why Windows 10 is bad; nothing ineffable about it.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by slikrick »

ghostpepper wrote: post #26

This is great - I have been a happy subscriber for almost a year I think. My biggest complaint with Kagi is not their fault - it's the inability to set custom search engines on Safari (and no, I'm not interested in installing a custom browser extension).

if you don't want to install a browser extension then safari having customizable search engines wouldn't help you anyways. you would need to login to the account which is additionally functionality that wouldn't be provided without the extensioj

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by egonschiele »

A lot of comments mention privacy. Could someone explain who can see my searches at Kagi? My experience working at startups is that companies are very lax with customer PII. With a product like this, I have to assume every engineer at Kagi can see every search I make.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by pierat »

rg111 wrote: post #50
mongol wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? I remember when Google was new, and I used to use Altavista and Hotbot and those older search engines, the difference in results were like night and day, and Google's results were "wow!" Does Kagi give a similar impression as Google did then?

I read some days back on HN that even Yandex is better than Google nowadays. And I apologoze for shilling a Russian company, but it is true! For some queries, Yandex is better than Google. I have replaced Google completely with DDG for most searches, ChatGPT for some things, GitHub Copilot for mundane code questions, phind or code.you.com for things requiring more search, and Kagi for things requiring much more searc…

Oh Yandex is AWESOME, especially for tech, porn, and piracy. None of its blocked. I get exactly what I'm looking for. No bullshit.

And I don't care if it is Russian. Tells me that the US government wont be buying search history from them, or cooperating in any capacity. Thats actually a double-good.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by somsak2 »

jchw wrote: post #188
sva_ wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. This number really varies based on where you live, and there is no pricing model that accounts for this. I suppose it is mostly just aimed at Americans.

Some platforms actually do account for this by having special "developing countries" discounts, or some other euphemism like that. IIRC Gumroad is one that supports this.

Pretty funny that when textbook publishers try to do this, people really hate it.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by somsak2 »

sva_ wrote: post #168
crisp wrote: post #6

Happy customer here. Kagi is by far the best search engine there is. When I first started using Kagi a year ago or so, I compared results with Google every now and then. Now? Never. 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. The results hit home virtually every time. There are variety of features to customize your searches but truthfully, I never found the need for…

> 10 bucks a month for a tool that I use multiple times every single day is more than reasonable. This number really varies based on where you live, and there is no pricing model that accounts for this. I suppose it is mostly just aimed at Americans.

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