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Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

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Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#101
post #80

Matrix is great but when is the tech industry going to deal with the fact that many, if not all, bridges are against the respective services' ToS and subsequently put the developers of those bridges under legal risk? Whatsapp has already sent legal threats to multiple bridge-component level project maintainers without any recourse.

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Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#102
Once more, Kudos to Arathorn/Matthew (the head of Matrix/Element) taking the time to answer most Hacker News comments, as he mostly does for all Matrix-related HN threads.

It's really nice to see him answer in a calm and mostly objective tone while people are blaming him for shortcomings and problems of all the different Matrix-related software projects. Admitting to failures and problems that Matrix definitely has, while still defending the overall project and giving insight into the status of MSCs/projects is admirable.

Thank you Matthew. I wish you an endless amount of patience for the future.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

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post #99
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU just designated Whatsapp as a gatekeeper under the Digital Markets Act: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_... following the "full list of do's and don'ts" link on that page: > Gatekeeper platforms will have to: > - allow third parties to inter-operate with the gatekeeper’s own services in certain specific situations > - allow their business users to access the data that they generate…

There's a fair amount of silly legislation that gets passed in the EU, but forward-thinking (or maybe just here-thinking?) laws like these (and the GDPR!) make me glad I live here.

A double edged sword[1] for sure.

[1] https://edri.org/our-work/why-chat-control-is-so-dangerous/

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find no issue that the company is working with law-enforcement to provide secure communications. In fact this makes me feel better about the security of those communications as they are trusted by these governments (not that this is a huge mark of quality, but I would consider it positive). I your distrust of law-enforcement so strong that any company that they purchase from must be untrustworthy? Or is there anoth…

My concern is in the opposite direction of what everyone appears to be interpreting, despite what I thought was clear wording in my initial post. It's not that govt/LE uses Matrix. It's that Matrix/Element actively seeks out partnership with govt/LE (to the extent of presenting on stage at a police conference), suggesting they are particularly interested in a relationship with authorities and personally sympathetic t…

From a personal perspective, I do share some of your misgivings about the appearance of sympathies with LE / authorities. It doesn't -feel- all that great to see. But at the end of the day to me it boils down to what another commenter said. If it's good enough for them, it is probably good enough for me. Someone has to pay the bills so the show can go on.

If the problem is that we're not trusting $LE_GOV_AGENCY to use the technology because it may hide abuses of authority, the root problem is that we can't trust $LE_GOV_AGENCY for reasons external to their choice of communication tooling. And that's not a problem I think we can solve with technology alone.

Plus, 'We can't allow X/Y/Z to use encrypted chat because they could do awful things' is a bit of a double-edged sword I personally don't feel comfortable wielding lest it be wielded against my own 'high-risk group'.

Disclaimer: SRE at Element, but I've been running a Matrix homeserver of my own since before I joined the company

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#105
post #81

> Rather than exposing a kitchen sink of features and settings, we’re keeping Element X truly focused: doing one job and absolutely nailing it - all while harnessing the power of Matrix for secure, interoperable, open-standard communication. does this mean the Element X is more for the mainstream user and regular Element is better suited for power users?

Element X also is geared up for powerusers (e.g. as project lead, I consider myself a poweruser) and i've been absolutely loving it as my daily driver for the last few months on mobile. For instance, my account is in around 4,000 chatrooms, and Element iOS was taking ~10s to launch and sync, and could easily take minutes to sync in the morning (heaven forbid the app was offline for more than overnight). Meanwhile, El…

Ok, I understand... one last thing I ask every year - custom emojis when? :)

And thank you for your the hard work!

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#106
post #62

Rip matrix p2p. I wonder if they were serious about it, or if it was just vaporware (a la Musk) to get more funding. It has been announced years ago, they raised millions and they have big governments contracts. WTF is going on?

wtf is going on is that: a) p2p matrix works pretty well as a proof of concept - you can try it from https://arewep2pyet.com ; it’s not remotely vapourware. b) funding has been spent on core Matrix dev and making Element kick ass (cf Element X) c) an awful lot of very large Matrix + Element deployments (eg LuxChat in Luxembourg, Merkury 2.0 in the Polish MOD, many German local authorities) decide to run Matrix deploy…

Thanks Matthew, I always appreciate your comments.

I also do appreciate the Apache license.

Sorry for the vapourware comment. It's hard to tell these days. Was the Google self-driving car thing vapourware? It never went anywhere.

I know that pinecone worked as a PoC. I ran a node for years, for fun. It's just that it always felt like the progress was crazy slow. The yggdrasil demo was what, 4 years ago? How fucked up will the world be in 4 years? Not that it's your fault.

And I care about matrix. I was the one who suggested arewep2pyet.com, I made 1-2 friends use it (matrix), I made 1-2 coworkers use it.

Also, zulip threads now or I riot.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#107
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a fair amount of silly legislation that gets passed in the EU, but forward-thinking (or maybe just here-thinking?) laws like these (and the GDPR!) make me glad I live here.

A double edged sword[1] for sure. [1] https://edri.org/our-work/why-chat-control-is-so-dangerous/

Yes, those are the silly bits, sadly.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#108
post #99
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU just designated Whatsapp as a gatekeeper under the Digital Markets Act: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_... following the "full list of do's and don'ts" link on that page: > Gatekeeper platforms will have to: > - allow third parties to inter-operate with the gatekeeper’s own services in certain specific situations > - allow their business users to access the data that they generate…

There's a fair amount of silly legislation that gets passed in the EU, but forward-thinking (or maybe just here-thinking?) laws like these (and the GDPR!) make me glad I live here.

Yeah this is exactly what’s needed. At least in EU the driver is awake at the wheel. As the politicians slowly get more technically competent we’re seeing more effective regulation. As long as EU has influence, everyone else will also benefit since companies often stop doing the shitty thing globally, not just in the EU.

Lack of interop has been a huge problem that’s also gotten worse over time. To address such a broad and complex issue with general legislation is not easy, we still have to wait and see if it works as intended.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#109
I'm curious if someone could build a discord replacement on top of matrix, most importantly with voice chat and video streaming functionality. Discord is clearly focused on monetization at this point, the only changes happening now are ones that make your experience objectively worse. I've also been on Linux for a few years now and discord still doesn't support streaming game audio.

And before someone suggests it, I tried Revolt, and it's not there yet. The latest client (as of a few months ago) couldn't find my audio devices at all, and came with a big warning about how their audio backend was being completely rewritten, and what I was using was now legacy.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#110

Regular reminder Matrix/Element work closely with law-enforcement to provide encrypted comms for them. It's a sector Matrix/Element actively markets to and deals with. My personal view is I'm not using a chat platform designed/developed by an organization so eager to partner with governments and law enforcement agencies. There's Element's Chief Product Officer & Managing Director presenting at the European Police Con…

You are mad that they took money away from someone you don’t like?

And moreover that they used this money for something that you do like?

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