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Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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It is nice to know that there is still a simple-ish way to bypass linking your account to a Microsoft Account at install time. A couple of days ago I was reinstalling Windows on a machine that was new enough that the wireless drivers weren't available on install, and was surprised that the installer just would not let me proceed with the install like used to. Of course, even if you manage to install Windows with a lo…

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Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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I installed Windows 10 the other week - it kinda blew my mind how poor the install experience was. The iso contained files greater than 4GB, which breaks fat32, which I'm sure many people are still using on flash drives. So I had to use an MS cmd-line tool to split the wim files manually and edit the install files. Why doesn't the installer just use smaller archive files?

Because you're supported to use NTFS, not FAT32. NTFS is the native format. But you don't have to do all that. Use the Media Creation Tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11/ Edit: Or even better, as degenerate comments below, use Rufus, which is what I use.

Or for more options use Rufus: https://rufus.ie/en/

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Meh, I don't have any love for windows, but IME newish versions seem quite well-behaved regarding Linux. Sure, they'll rewrite the UEFI boot order, but once you set it back to what you want, it leaves it alone. The one thing I absolutely hate, is the recovery partition at the end of the main C: drive. So that if you want to grow the C drive, you have to jump through some ridiculous hoops to move the recovery partitio…

Windows 10 and 11 still breaks dual boot, had it happen with me in two different computers. Now I just have different computers with different OSes - had to get a second desk to be able to have all mounted in a way I don't need to swap computer cables.

Have you heard of KVMs?

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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I installed Windows 10 the other week - it kinda blew my mind how poor the install experience was. The iso contained files greater than 4GB, which breaks fat32, which I'm sure many people are still using on flash drives. So I had to use an MS cmd-line tool to split the wim files manually and edit the install files. Why doesn't the installer just use smaller archive files?

anecdotally - I feel windows has gone the opposite direction and switched places with linux in terms of ease of installation. I've been using Linux for decades now but had to install Windows 11 for a gaming machine I built: * I couldn't install windows 11 because it was "missing drivers" (this took me back to 95) * Tried installing Windows 10 instead thinking to eventually upgrade to 11 * Got stuck in an update loop…

It's been that way for a long time now.

Linux distribution try to make installation as easy as possible because most people need to install it themselves.

Microsoft not caring about installation because most people buy it preinstalled on their PC.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Just the other night I was looking at the way a Windows 10 install wrote the EFI partition to some random disk it was not installed on at all, and wishing for this, the GUI installer just does ridiculous shit and is really not up to par with even some no name Linux distro's Calamares. I have no idea why people buy this shit, it's Microsoft's luck that it comes preinstalled and most users never touch it

I’ve had the Windows installer clobber the EFI partitions of Linux and macOS (hackintosh) installs on separate drives in the past, which is ridiculous. I now know to disconnect unrelated drives when installing Windows.

It cuts both ways. Most *nix installers will happily use the windows Efi partition and the only way to get it to use its own is to either deflag existing efi partitions or disconnect the drives

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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I don't even want to install Windows at all, yet M$ has made almost every business it's subordinate, where the businesses uncritically do what M$ demands of them while they pay M$ ungodly sums of money.

You're living in 1999 dude. Amazon owns all the business infrastructure these days

Not in the country I live and work.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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I installed Windows 10 the other week - it kinda blew my mind how poor the install experience was. The iso contained files greater than 4GB, which breaks fat32, which I'm sure many people are still using on flash drives. So I had to use an MS cmd-line tool to split the wim files manually and edit the install files. Why doesn't the installer just use smaller archive files?

Because you're supported to use NTFS, not FAT32. NTFS is the native format. But you don't have to do all that. Use the Media Creation Tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11/ Edit: Or even better, as degenerate comments below, use Rufus, which is what I use.

If you were supposed to use NTFS that's what the Media Creation tool would do. Instead it uses FAT32 and an image with superior compression (ESD). This is because FAT32 is the only required format for UEFI implementations to boot from.

Some advanced tools, and I'd recommend looking at Ventoy over Rufus, use an intermediate loader to mitigate that. Others just let you assume the board supports NTFS boot.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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It's mind-boggling that we have utterly basic fallback standards for storage (ATA, USB Storage Class), display (VGA), USB (xHCI), webcams (USB UVC), mice/touchpads/touchscreens/keyboards (PS/2, USB HID) or Bluetooth, with BIOS usually providing emulation layers for everything of that excluding webcams and bluetooth so you can theoretically take any modern x86 PC and hand-write a basic OS in Assembler if you want and…

There are multiple networking standards in USB, for example. Almost every USB ethernet dongle is using one of the USB standards for networking. Obviously, Windows didnt support any of these until relatively recently. They were too busy trying to promote "their" standard (RNDIS) which as usual practically nothing supported other than PocketPC and ... early Android. Whenever you wonder "why dont we have a standard inte…

> They frequently refuse to provide builtin drivers for standard interfaces and, whenever they do, usually as second class citizens, _even_ when it is their own standard (e.g. MTP).

At least Windows comes with MTP support OOTB. macOS to this day doesn't.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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I don't even want to install Windows at all, yet M$ has made almost every business it's subordinate, where the businesses uncritically do what M$ demands of them while they pay M$ ungodly sums of money.

:( My workplace uses it, but I've been able to run a few small companies from Linux only. (One is very profitable, but its a medical company, its hard not to be profitable in Medical in the US. Two are barely profitable, the others are non-profits or havent launched yet.) LibreOffice sucks, but it still does the job. I often use google docs/drive instead. Everything else runs on Linux, my CAD, 3D printer, my video ed…

> I often use google docs/drive instead.

What makes this preferable to MS Office?

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