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Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

mschuster91 wrote: post #85
mananaysiempre wrote: post #70

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> oddly enough, [Windows] lacked drivers. This is the situation with the upcoming 13-inch AMD Framework, by the way: apparently the official Windows 11 installation image doesn’t include drivers for the AMD/Mediatek RZ616 Wi-Fi card (2021), so they’re going to have to tell people to use Rufus to inject one. Fedora reportedly works out of the box.

It's mind-boggling that we have utterly basic fallback standards for storage (ATA, USB Storage Class), display (VGA), USB (xHCI), webcams (USB UVC), mice/touchpads/touchscreens/keyboards (PS/2, USB HID) or Bluetooth, with BIOS usually providing emulation layers for everything of that excluding webcams and bluetooth so you can theoretically take any modern x86 PC and hand-write a basic OS in Assembler if you want and…

There are multiple networking standards in USB, for example. Almost every USB ethernet dongle is using one of the USB standards for networking. Obviously, Windows didnt support any of these until relatively recently. They were too busy trying to promote "their" standard (RNDIS) which as usual practically nothing supported other than PocketPC and ... early Android.

Whenever you wonder "why dont we have a standard interface for X" the answer is, inevitably, Microsoft. They frequently refuse to provide builtin drivers for standard interfaces and, whenever they do, usually as second class citizens, _even_ when it is their own standard (e.g. MTP).

You cannot even imagine how much the extremely poor support has completely shaped todays smartphone OSes (e.g. the duality in android between media storage and user storage coming from being forced to fallback on Mass Storage) and why everyone used to complain how difficult it is to transfer files from an Android to a PC using a cable.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by pxc »

fodkodrasz wrote: post #15
jcrben wrote: post #11

It mentions hitting Shift+F10. Wish it mentioned how to that non-interactively.

You probably don't want to go down that rabbit hole. (trust me, I've done it, it is littered with footguns and sometimes incorrect documentation, and outdated advice. Lots of things are legacy, the docs are extensive but still only scratch the surface) Search for unattended install, autounattend.xml, Windows System Image Manager, Windows Imaging Toolkit. Don't try to install WSIM from windows store, as that version d…

Seconding that unattended Windows installs, or even just customized Windows install media, are a giant pain in the ass. It's kind of fun to explore once but the amount of effort required to get to something that works doesn't feel worth it by the time you get there.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by capableweb »

nsonha wrote: post #84
alexvitkov wrote: post #83

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The Arch install is literally 1. partition your system 2. mount / 3. run 1 command to actually install the system 4. install grub Sure, it's a bit gatekeepy if you haven't done it before, but it teaches you a lot of useful things about how a Linux system works, that you'll undoubtedly need if you plan to use Arch.

Imagine any other consumer product boasting about teaching you things, instead of just do what it means to do. Also am I dumb? Why do I need to be taught these things again and again every damn installation?

> Imagine any other consumer product boasting about teaching you things, instead of just do what it means to do.

Plenty of consumer products does just this? Raspberry PI basically spawned an entire industry around this very idea. Bunch of analog musical instruments does the same, some even come with signal graphs and such to teach you the insides of the instrument.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by [deleted] »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #28
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #20

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But then you'd use the same method as installing other OS and people would realise installing a Linux distro is easy. Of course MS already made it much harder with secureboot and "accidentally" wiping Linux installs when you install it second. Given the massive updates you immediately have to download, and the heavy push for only installing with an online account, there seems little reason to have anything beyond a m…

Meh, I don't have any love for windows, but IME newish versions seem quite well-behaved regarding Linux. Sure, they'll rewrite the UEFI boot order, but once you set it back to what you want, it leaves it alone. The one thing I absolutely hate, is the recovery partition at the end of the main C: drive. So that if you want to grow the C drive, you have to jump through some ridiculous hoops to move the recovery partitio…

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Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by NikolaNovak »

greatcircle wrote: post #13

I installed Windows 10 the other week - it kinda blew my mind how poor the install experience was. The iso contained files greater than 4GB, which breaks fat32, which I'm sure many people are still using on flash drives. So I had to use an MS cmd-line tool to split the wim files manually and edit the install files. Why doesn't the installer just use smaller archive files?

That is strange - I thought windows Media creator utility automatically formats usb to exactly what it needs. Even if i put I. fat32 or ext4 stick it'll create a working install.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by orangepurple »

FireInsight wrote: post #92
nsonha wrote: post #84

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Imagine any other consumer product boasting about teaching you things, instead of just do what it means to do. Also am I dumb? Why do I need to be taught these things again and again every damn installation?

That's because Arch is not a consumer product. It is an enthusiast Linux project, perhaps a bit too hyped up, that is usually manually installed because that's the way it is.

It's manually installed because you build it up to be exactly what you want. If you don't know what you want - use Ubuntu.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #50
Zetobal wrote: post #29

I don't even want to install Arch the Arch way.

I don't even want to install Windows at all, yet M$ has made almost every business it's subordinate, where the businesses uncritically do what M$ demands of them while they pay M$ ungodly sums of money.

You're living in 1999 dude. Amazon owns all the business infrastructure these days

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by astrod »

worble wrote: post #54
smabie wrote: post #43

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I don't wanna install Arch the Arch way either, and I've been running Arch for over 10yrs The Installation just sucks for no purpose. Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it

They have a command line installer, just type archinstall and it will ask a few questions then do the rest for you.

This.

I have used the script and it pretty much lines up with the 'arch' way and I believe it is still a good introduction to linux.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by jwells89 »

BxGyw2 wrote: post #26

Just the other night I was looking at the way a Windows 10 install wrote the EFI partition to some random disk it was not installed on at all, and wishing for this, the GUI installer just does ridiculous shit and is really not up to par with even some no name Linux distro's Calamares. I have no idea why people buy this shit, it's Microsoft's luck that it comes preinstalled and most users never touch it

I’ve had the Windows installer clobber the EFI partitions of Linux and macOS (hackintosh) installs on separate drives in the past, which is ridiculous. I now know to disconnect unrelated drives when installing Windows.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by dist-epoch »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #20
greatcircle wrote: post #13

I installed Windows 10 the other week - it kinda blew my mind how poor the install experience was. The iso contained files greater than 4GB, which breaks fat32, which I'm sure many people are still using on flash drives. So I had to use an MS cmd-line tool to split the wim files manually and edit the install files. Why doesn't the installer just use smaller archive files?

But then you'd use the same method as installing other OS and people would realise installing a Linux distro is easy. Of course MS already made it much harder with secureboot and "accidentally" wiping Linux installs when you install it second. Given the massive updates you immediately have to download, and the heavy push for only installing with an online account, there seems little reason to have anything beyond a m…

You think Linux usage is not more widespread because people don't know that it's easy to install?
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