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Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by Perz1val »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #28
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then you'd use the same method as installing other OS and people would realise installing a Linux distro is easy. Of course MS already made it much harder with secureboot and "accidentally" wiping Linux installs when you install it second. Given the massive updates you immediately have to download, and the heavy push for only installing with an online account, there seems little reason to have anything beyond a m…

Meh, I don't have any love for windows, but IME newish versions seem quite well-behaved regarding Linux. Sure, they'll rewrite the UEFI boot order, but once you set it back to what you want, it leaves it alone. The one thing I absolutely hate, is the recovery partition at the end of the main C: drive. So that if you want to grow the C drive, you have to jump through some ridiculous hoops to move the recovery partitio…

A friend of mine recently installed windows to another drive (I hadn't had the chance to tell him to unplug every other drive) and sure enough, it did install with all of the funny partitions elsewhere. We though it will be easily fixable afterwards, but it's not - you cannot recreate it. With those gone the system cannot hibernate and it couldn't shut down until disabling fast startup. Updates don't work either, but it still tries doing them, fails rollbacks and restarts. Is it user error? Maybe, but I still blame the installer for not being clear and automatically picking a stupid setup.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by nottheengineer »

BxGyw2 wrote: post #26

Just the other night I was looking at the way a Windows 10 install wrote the EFI partition to some random disk it was not installed on at all, and wishing for this, the GUI installer just does ridiculous shit and is really not up to par with even some no name Linux distro's Calamares. I have no idea why people buy this shit, it's Microsoft's luck that it comes preinstalled and most users never touch it

I found out that it did the same to me when I installed arch. Windows on one drive, EFI partition on a completely different one that has no reason to ever have an EFI partition.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by smabie »

tucosan wrote: post #35
Zetobal wrote: post #29

I don't even want to install Arch the Arch way.

> I don't even want to install Arch the Arch way. Then don't. You're simply not part of the target audience.

I don't wanna install Arch the Arch way either, and I've been running Arch for over 10yrs

The Installation just sucks for no purpose. Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by gerdesj »

greatcircle wrote: post #13

I installed Windows 10 the other week - it kinda blew my mind how poor the install experience was. The iso contained files greater than 4GB, which breaks fat32, which I'm sure many people are still using on flash drives. So I had to use an MS cmd-line tool to split the wim files manually and edit the install files. Why doesn't the installer just use smaller archive files?

https://github.com/WoeUSB/WoeUSB - you give it an MS iso and where to put it on a USB stick and it will do the job using NTFS, which doesn't have snags with >4GB files.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by gameoverhumans »

Zetobal wrote: post #29

I don't even want to install Arch the Arch way.

It sounds like you're the kind of person who wants a computer that "just works" with user-friendly point/click software out of the box.

You're absolutely not the target audience of Arch Linux, nor this "Arch-like" Windows install guide.

Personally, I learned more about modern Linux userspace by following the Arch install process (and subsequently maintaining an Arch install for daily-driver use) than I ever did from 5+ years of using Ubuntu desktop.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by gameoverhumans »

smabie wrote: post #43
tucosan wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't even want to install Arch the Arch way. Then don't. You're simply not part of the target audience.

I don't wanna install Arch the Arch way either, and I've been running Arch for over 10yrs The Installation just sucks for no purpose. Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it

> Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it

Not sure what you're referring to here. Archinstall [1] is relatively recent [2]. I used it a few weeks ago to quickly yeet a machine into Arch for some testing. Worked flawlessly and had the machine from live boot -> Arch install on root media in under 5 minutes.

[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall [2]: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Arch-Linux-Does-Archinstall

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by cdogl »

smabie wrote: post #43
tucosan wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't even want to install Arch the Arch way. Then don't. You're simply not part of the target audience.

I don't wanna install Arch the Arch way either, and I've been running Arch for over 10yrs The Installation just sucks for no purpose. Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it

It’s stable and simple. I can run through it in 20 minutes including disk encryption and X.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by kwanbix »

greatcircle wrote: post #13

I installed Windows 10 the other week - it kinda blew my mind how poor the install experience was. The iso contained files greater than 4GB, which breaks fat32, which I'm sure many people are still using on flash drives. So I had to use an MS cmd-line tool to split the wim files manually and edit the install files. Why doesn't the installer just use smaller archive files?

I imagine that very few people who use Windows have USBs on fat32. In fact, Windows format by defaults on NTFS with the option format on exFAT. There is no option fo format on FAT32, you need to use a specific tool. More so, most people just burn the iso to the usb, deleting everyhing on it.

Re: Install Windows the Arch Linux Way

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Post by flanked-evergl »

Zetobal wrote: post #29

I don't even want to install Arch the Arch way.

I don't even want to install Windows at all, yet M$ has made almost every business it's subordinate, where the businesses uncritically do what M$ demands of them while they pay M$ ungodly sums of money.
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